Myths about Pressure Points

[Uke]

Well they're his books, a fraud's words on a subject are a fraud's word on the subject whether he writes them or speaks them. Dillman literally stole a copy of the actual text on tuite from a Seiyu Oyata during a seminar on the subject. The text was merely hand drawn locations of points on the body without any explanations of their use or the weapons to strike or the angles to use nor did it explain what the effects of the strikes were, I know this because I have seen a copy of the text in Boars library. Dillman proceeded to try to find movements in the forms that hit these points and designed his entire system off this info and things he stole from other people and tried to fit into his system making the entire system worthless because it's based on incorrect and non traditional assumptions he made as opposed to anything he was taught.(Dillman's top students have left his organization over this and publicly stated this was why they left) Besides, the guy teaches no touch knock outs need I say more?

Dillman did a lot more than that. He followed Oyata around the country for years. He went to all of his seminars and even taped him without his consent.

Dillman HAS performed PP knockouts. That is true. He hasn't done so on resisting opponents, but he has performed them nonetheless and he has taught them. From what I understand Dillman's best credible offering as far as PPKO's go is the use of them while grappling. I know this to be true from a credible source.

He's a fraud compared to Oyata and other real deal PPKO practitioners though. No question. Dillman's KO's don't always work, even against a compliant student. And his no touch nonsense ...

[8stepmantis]

Chinese medicine greatly affected the martial arts and vice versa. Pretty interesting stuff.

[kingoftheforest]

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[8stepmantis]

Unless you are a vitamin company or a clinic, your not in my target market. I thought the research may be useful however. My job requires me to be up to date on the most current Chinese medicine research. Its not spam, its research, look for yourself.

[Tant01]

as you were...

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We will.

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~Tant01

[Ben Grimm]

What does anybody think about Dr. Pier Tsui-Po and his Dim Mak?

[kingoftheforest]

bump........

[Kaywalk]

Oh boy, this is going to be a rough one for my first post on this forum ever, but here goes.

I am a student in the Dillman Karate system, so naturally I feel the need to chime in here. I am not here to defende my head master who has admittedly made some serious PR mistakes in how he presents his art, but to offer some alternative ideas on how pressure points function.

Pressure points, even ones on the head, do not render a person unconscious through concussive force on the brain. If they did, I along with many of my classmates, would be dead by now. A human being cannot receive that many concussions in such a short time. Pressure point knock outs work sort of like a circuit breaker. The nerves are overloaded with stimulation and the brain elects to shut itself down and reboot in order to protect itself.

Knock outs are actually quite painless if done correctly, and upon revival I have always felt somewhat refreshed. Pressure points not hit in such a way to knock someone out will only hurt. Likewise, pressure points hit so hard that the person is knocked out by concussion instead of neural stimulation will also just hurt.

As for practicality in real life situations, I will say the same thing my instructors have told me. There are over 360 pressure points on the human body. Their area of activation is roughly the size of a quarter. Now, if I tapes 360 quarters all over my body. Don't you think maybe you'd be able to hit a few of them? This is of course an over simplification because it doesn't take into account angle of attack that is necessary for activating pressure points.

I cannot vouch for every school in the DKI, but how I was trained was to repeat various attack scenarios over and over again so that pressure point knowledge becomes second nature. So, to everyone who thinks pressure points are stupid because you won't have time to think about them in a fight: you are correct. Rather, we are trained to simply react to an open point, just like any martial artist is trained to react to an opening in their opponent's guard.

As for Dillman himself and his sorted past, I cannot really defend him. But I can say that it is irrelevant to his art. Has he stolen things from other teachers? Probably. Does he say dumb stuff about no-touch knock outs and stuff? Sure. Has he claimed to know various celebrities better than he really did? Yup. But Dillman is just suffering from celebrity syndrome. He is big and relatively famous now, and has no one in his organization willing to stand up to him and call him on issues. The few that do end up leaving instead. So yeah, he's got a lot of problems. But let him get his hands on you and he will put you in excruciating pain. His techniques are valid.

Which brings me to my final point. That female report and that national geographic special. Yes, it's true. Sometimes Dillman messes up. But Dillman also makes his techniques work quite effectively other times. In fact, I have seen Dillman use techniques on non-believers much to their surprise. But this isn't fun news. No one wants to see someone claim they can do something and then succeed. They want to see frauds exposed. So that's what you get when you watch those documentaries and stuff. How can people expect Dillman to get his knock outs 100% of the time? Sometimes mess up their own techniques. Dillman failing at a knock out is like a person failing to break a board, or jamming their finger when they punch a bag, or stumbling when they through a kick. Everyone, without exception, messes up from time to time when doing their techniques, no matter how good they are.

So what happens if Dillman hits a guy in a real fight and he doesn't go out? Well, the same thing that would happen with any other martial arts. He'd hit him again. Remember, Dillman was a karate champion in his younger days. He is still fast and is a rather big guy so he can put a lot of force beyond his strikes. He doesn't worry about messing up his techniques because he knows he can still just blast his opponent. We have a saying: there are no mistakes; only transition.

[kingoftheforest]

Let me respond to this simply.

Dillman has been proven to be a hack.

[Kaywalk]

I have read through the rest of this thread and ones like it and I do not understand how Dillman has been proven to be a hack. Please do not respond simply. Elaborate.

[kingoftheforest]

Do a search, it's all been said a thousand times.

[47MartialMan]

In regards to Dillman;

Oyata did teach Dillman and had favored him for a little while until there was a sort of disarrangement.

They are both featured on the cover, together, and inside for a article in a magazine called "Official Karate"-July 1984

Back then, I and a few other martial artsists, whom I knew, were slightly enchanted by these PP, as it would seem our current teachers either;

A.) Did not know as many

B.) Did not desire to share, for some reason.

However, thus said, we attended a few seminars and when many of these did not work effectively on us, the "excuse" was, we were "blocking".

This subject has surfaced so many times over so many martial art forums and seminars. I liked to refer this to "uncommon-common knowledge"

Back in millineum, such "knowledge" was "uncommon". The vast populace was not educated.

Although, there are people nowadays who are still not educated, the vast populace is, therefore, learned and share "common knowledge".

It is no wonder, back then, through those without knowlege, could create many martial art myths and legends oten told by raconteur as this was a means to entertain and communicate before radio, television, and now, the internet.

From my experiences and observations, such things are a fluke or luck.

Per;

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/urban-street-combatives-r-b-m/35330-reality-vs-vaccum-study.html#post335191

It is nice to read some good intelligent discussion here.

[Kaywalk]

I've never been a fan of that whole "blocking" argument. As if one could deactivate their body's pressure points by simply wishing them away. But some people in my organization actually believe this, and yes it is annoying and fantastical. But if you got no experience from pressure points it is most likely because the people doing them to you were performing them incorrectly.

Consider this: the number of skeptics who go to Dillman seminars and are impressed outweigh the number of one's who aren't impressed. So what could be some factors causing this. It does not seem possible to me that Dillman could somehow be manipulating intelligent people who wish to prove him wrong into believing in his system. And yet he does this. Whereas on the other hand it is very believable that when he or one of his students fails to demonstrate a technique on a skeptic, the skeptic runs with it.

If you think about it, how much evidence against Dillman do we really have. I only ever hear the same things about the National Geographic special and that reporter girl. That and a handful of individuals who say they were unimpressed at Dillman seminars. Compared to the number of people convinced by him, I would have to say that there is certainly something worth looking into.

[WildWest.]

This must be the Bullshit Post of the Year.

[kingoftheforest]

This must be the Bullshit Post of the Year.

Yep....................