Myths about Pressure Points

[kingoftheforest]

Do a search, it's all been said a thousand times.

[Kaywalk]

I have read through the rest of this thread and ones like it and I do not understand how Dillman has been proven to be a hack. Please do not respond simply. Elaborate.

[kingoftheforest]

Let me respond to this simply.

Dillman has been proven to be a hack.

[Kaywalk]

Oh boy, this is going to be a rough one for my first post on this forum ever, but here goes.

I am a student in the Dillman Karate system, so naturally I feel the need to chime in here. I am not here to defende my head master who has admittedly made some serious PR mistakes in how he presents his art, but to offer some alternative ideas on how pressure points function.

Pressure points, even ones on the head, do not render a person unconscious through concussive force on the brain. If they did, I along with many of my classmates, would be dead by now. A human being cannot receive that many concussions in such a short time. Pressure point knock outs work sort of like a circuit breaker. The nerves are overloaded with stimulation and the brain elects to shut itself down and reboot in order to protect itself.

Knock outs are actually quite painless if done correctly, and upon revival I have always felt somewhat refreshed. Pressure points not hit in such a way to knock someone out will only hurt. Likewise, pressure points hit so hard that the person is knocked out by concussion instead of neural stimulation will also just hurt.

As for practicality in real life situations, I will say the same thing my instructors have told me. There are over 360 pressure points on the human body. Their area of activation is roughly the size of a quarter. Now, if I tapes 360 quarters all over my body. Don't you think maybe you'd be able to hit a few of them? This is of course an over simplification because it doesn't take into account angle of attack that is necessary for activating pressure points.

I cannot vouch for every school in the DKI, but how I was trained was to repeat various attack scenarios over and over again so that pressure point knowledge becomes second nature. So, to everyone who thinks pressure points are stupid because you won't have time to think about them in a fight: you are correct. Rather, we are trained to simply react to an open point, just like any martial artist is trained to react to an opening in their opponent's guard.

As for Dillman himself and his sorted past, I cannot really defend him. But I can say that it is irrelevant to his art. Has he stolen things from other teachers? Probably. Does he say dumb stuff about no-touch knock outs and stuff? Sure. Has he claimed to know various celebrities better than he really did? Yup. But Dillman is just suffering from celebrity syndrome. He is big and relatively famous now, and has no one in his organization willing to stand up to him and call him on issues. The few that do end up leaving instead. So yeah, he's got a lot of problems. But let him get his hands on you and he will put you in excruciating pain. His techniques are valid.

Which brings me to my final point. That female report and that national geographic special. Yes, it's true. Sometimes Dillman messes up. But Dillman also makes his techniques work quite effectively other times. In fact, I have seen Dillman use techniques on non-believers much to their surprise. But this isn't fun news. No one wants to see someone claim they can do something and then succeed. They want to see frauds exposed. So that's what you get when you watch those documentaries and stuff. How can people expect Dillman to get his knock outs 100% of the time? Sometimes mess up their own techniques. Dillman failing at a knock out is like a person failing to break a board, or jamming their finger when they punch a bag, or stumbling when they through a kick. Everyone, without exception, messes up from time to time when doing their techniques, no matter how good they are.

So what happens if Dillman hits a guy in a real fight and he doesn't go out? Well, the same thing that would happen with any other martial arts. He'd hit him again. Remember, Dillman was a karate champion in his younger days. He is still fast and is a rather big guy so he can put a lot of force beyond his strikes. He doesn't worry about messing up his techniques because he knows he can still just blast his opponent. We have a saying: there are no mistakes; only transition.

[kingoftheforest]

bump........

[Ben Grimm]

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[Tant01]

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[8stepmantis]

Unless you are a vitamin company or a clinic, your not in my target market. I thought the research may be useful however. My job requires me to be up to date on the most current Chinese medicine research. Its not spam, its research, look for yourself.

[kingoftheforest]

Just wouldn't be a thread on the web without SPAM.

[8stepmantis]

Chinese medicine greatly affected the martial arts and vice versa. Pretty interesting stuff.

[Uke]

Well they're his books, a fraud's words on a subject are a fraud's word on the subject whether he writes them or speaks them. Dillman literally stole a copy of the actual text on tuite from a Seiyu Oyata during a seminar on the subject. The text was merely hand drawn locations of points on the body without any explanations of their use or the weapons to strike or the angles to use nor did it explain what the effects of the strikes were, I know this because I have seen a copy of the text in Boars library. Dillman proceeded to try to find movements in the forms that hit these points and designed his entire system off this info and things he stole from other people and tried to fit into his system making the entire system worthless because it's based on incorrect and non traditional assumptions he made as opposed to anything he was taught.(Dillman's top students have left his organization over this and publicly stated this was why they left) Besides, the guy teaches no touch knock outs need I say more?

Dillman did a lot more than that. He followed Oyata around the country for years. He went to all of his seminars and even taped him without his consent.

Dillman HAS performed PP knockouts. That is true. He hasn't done so on resisting opponents, but he has performed them nonetheless and he has taught them. From what I understand Dillman's best credible offering as far as PPKO's go is the use of them while grappling. I know this to be true from a credible source.

He's a fraud compared to Oyata and other real deal PPKO practitioners though. No question. Dillman's KO's don't always work, even against a compliant student. And his no touch nonsense ...

[kingoftheforest]

Actually... The only "no reflex" targets are in the head and neck but yeah...

The judo chop and stomp is totally new... Never heard of such a thing!



My friend wants to slaughter a few goats and recently inquired about "borrowing" my little .22

The most "humane" method of dispatching a creature is a contact shot that shuts off the brainstem...

Considering a few inches of penetration gives you an idea of where to point the projectile...

High powered rifles are a beast... Trust me when I say you don't want .30 cal rounds landing in your immediate vicinity...

But what do I know about anything? Pressure points?

Sorry for dragging us off topic...

There's also a no reflex kill between the navel and the crotch.

And it doesn't seem off topic. You related it to the subject at hand quite well I thought.

The judo chop and stomp done 100% pure form Applegate style combatives would just be a heel stomp to the top of the foot.

The shin scrap just goes real well in conjunction with the elbow clipping the inner arm. It feel real natural if you give it a few goes.

[Tant01]

Shock inducing? Knee destruction?

True enough. There are shooting points that are known as "No reflex kills" which would in fact be aiming at certain neurological bundles in the body.
I guess you could refer to it something akin to pressure point shooting. Although the shock of just being shot can kill some people.

But I'm more speaking on it in terms of CMA's I guess the Chinese figured it you were going to cut or shoot you'd definitely be effecting the nerve at some point.

We train not only to rely on the pressure point but also to disrupt skeletal and muscular function as well.

Say for instance someone throws a straight right. If you step inside, chop the wrist, or along the forearm area it doesn't have to be exact, with your left hand. At the same time raise you right hand in an upward elbow. Like the Fonz slicking his hair. At the same time raise your right knee straight up.

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Know strike a knife hand old Judo chop style into the neck at the same time rake your instep down the persons shin.
This not only comes from Military Combative but is also one variation of the opening of Small San Shou which is a Tai Chi form.

These movements attack Heart 5 and Lung 8 and Heart3 on the arm which send multiple shocks into the ulnar nerve as well as impede the arms line of attack.

The strike to the neck attacks Stomach 9 as well as shocks the vegas nerve and the spinal column forcing the head away.

The shin scrap with a heel stomp to the foot attack a whole plethora of points on the leg and top of foot. As well as impedes forward movement.

All this would encompass just the first 2 movements of the Tai Chi form.

And this is just a concept to build onto.

Actually... The only "no reflex" targets are in the head and neck but yeah...

The judo chop and stomp is totally new... Never heard of such a thing!



My friend wants to slaughter a few goats and recently inquired about "borrowing" my little .22

The most "humane" method of dispatching a creature is a contact shot that shuts off the brainstem...

Considering a few inches of penetration gives you an idea of where to point the projectile...

High powered rifles are a beast... Trust me when I say you don't want .30 cal rounds landing in your immediate vicinity...

But what do I know about anything? Pressure points?

Sorry for dragging us off topic...

[kingoftheforest]

Concepts.

I think force is relative. You're not going to punch a hole between someone's eyes with finger pressure! But a .30-06 will certainly do the job depending on your choice of ammo....

Even with excessive force you don't want to miss the vitals...

True enough. There are shooting points that are known as "No reflex kills" which would in fact be aiming at certain neurological bundles in the body.

I guess you could refer to it something akin to pressure point shooting. Although the shock of just being shot can kill some people.

But I'm more speaking on it in terms of CMA's I guess the Chinese figured it you were going to cut or shoot you'd definitely be effecting the nerve at some point.

We train not only to rely on the pressure point but also to disrupt skeletal and muscular function as well.

Say for instance someone throws a straight right. If you step inside, chop the wrist, or along the forearm area it doesn't have to be exact, with your left hand. At the same time raise you right hand in an upward elbow. Like the Fonz slicking his hair. At the same time raise your right knee straight up.

Mellow this ones for you.

Know strike a knife hand old Judo chop style into the neck at the same time rake your instep down the persons shin.

This not only comes from Military Combative but is also one variation of the opening of Small San Shou which is a Tai Chi form.

These movements attack Heart 5 and Lung 8 and Heart3 on the arm which send multiple shocks into the ulnar nerve as well as impede the arms line of attack.

The strike to the neck attacks Stomach 9 as well as shocks the vegas nerve and the spinal column forcing the head away.

The shin scrap with a heel stomp to the foot attack a whole plethora of points on the leg and top of foot. As well as impedes forward movement.

All this would encompass just the first 2 movements of the Tai Chi form.

And this is just a concept to build onto.

[Tant01]

Excessive force...

One of the greatest myths about pressure points is that hitting hard any where will work.

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I think force is relative. You're not going to punch a hole between someone's eyes with finger pressure! But a .30-06 will certainly do the job depending on your choice of ammo....

Even with excessive force you don't want to miss the vitals...