Myths about Pressure Points

[kingoftheforest]

Pain compliance techniques are like chemical agents.They will work on most people,but not everyone.Most techniques are not 100 per cent effective.I have seen people get a baton broken over their head and keep fighting.Same with people getting kicked square in the groin with no apparent effect.It does not mean these techniques are not effective,just that every situation and every individual is different.

I won't argue with that. There is definitely no perfect technique. And I agree that every technique will manifest different on different people.

Body position and the build of the "uke" can change the outcome.

[ltindiandaeng]

Pain compliance techniques are like chemical agents.They will work on most people,but not everyone.Most techniques are not 100 per cent effective.I have seen people get a baton broken over their head and keep fighting.Same with people getting kicked square in the groin with no apparent effect.It does not mean these techniques are not effective,just that every situation and every individual is different.

[mellow]

I don't feel it's responsible to discuss this on a forum with the maturity level shown here.

Too many people will want to use it as a toy to try on their friends from ny experience.


It has severe ramifications medically if misused.

Agreed, it is the one I've seen most overused.

[kingoftheforest]

Check it out.

Working in the prison we used to use pressure points on passively resisting people to get them to move and they usually worked very well but I would not generally use them in a fight.The points are hard to find and adrenaline sometimes makes them useless.

Check out the first post in the thread. I listed the most common and easiest ones to get at and use.Also I advocate not relying on the pressure point alone.

Also what you are referring to sounds more like pain compliance. I have expressed and will so again my dislike on the use of pain compliance. A persons tolerance can severely effect the outcome of such tactics.

[ltindiandaeng]

Working in the prison we used to use pressure points on passively resisting people to get them to move and they usually worked very well but I would not generally use them in a fight.The points are hard to find and adrenaline sometimes makes them useless.

[kingoftheforest]

Misconceptions.

One of the greatest myths about pressure points is that hitting hard any where will work.

I will use Muy Thai to prove this wrong.

The main reason this misconception doesn't work is because pressure points nearly always coincide with nerves or nerve bundles. It has been proven scientifically that our nerves and synapses send signal using bio electrical energy.

Hitting a pressure points disturbs this flow of energy at the point and the area around this point.

The direction that the point is hit from is an important factor.

Take the Ulnar nerve or the cause of pain when you hit your "funny bone". This is in your elbow. If striking the elbow hard were enough to cause a disruption then every time a Thai fighter threw an elbow strike and contacted with his opponent the force would hurt him as well.

Also the nerve that runs along the your outer leg. We have all I'm sure experienced "dead leg" from being kicked here. If all it took was force then one kick to the leg and you're down.

If all it took was force of any kind than the first person to get hit in the head or chest hard would loose due to K.O.. While this does happen from time to time it's because someone hit the right nerve center like the one just between the temple and the eye. Or just under the chin with the proper force and direction.

On the average most ring fighters throw countless blows before someone goes down.

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I've hit somethings pretty hard that the ladies wouldn't call pressure points. But they loved it.

Donkey Punch for the win! lol

[kingoftheforest]

I've said it for years, and I'll say it again:

Anything is a pressure point if you hit it hard enough.

I've hit somethings pretty hard that the ladies wouldn't call pressure points. But they loved it.

[kingoftheforest]

Some are for control.

I've broken headlocks with infraorbital and put someone down with it, when I was younger,

I've seen knockouts from strikes to the bracchial plexius. (it's the easiest place I know of to cause a knockout)

Median is good for weapon disarms (if you have a weapon to hit the median with) Superscapular also is good for getting people to drop a weapon.

I once saw a guy get kicked in the superficial peroneal and flop around on the ground screaming like a girl (I don't think this would be a common reaction though)

So they aren't all for control, some of them make good setups. But they aren't magic, most of them work on pain compliance, or muscle impairment.

from PPCT research something like 80% of people will respond to most of the ones I posts. I have one found 1 person who did not respond to any of them. I got flat affect from all of them at moderate power (I was teaching a class at a College) I have my suspicions from my dealings with the individual that they were either medicated or had mental problems or both.

Well you use what you feel works best for you. I won't try and dissuade what you have found to be effective in your training.

I will say that when we train we strike multiple points in rapid succession and don't rely on any one point. Also the points are secondary and are used in conjunction with skeletal function to put ourselves and the target in the best possible position we can for the next strike.

Mind you the opponent has some say so in whats going on so you aim for best position and even if you don't get that you still get something effective.

[kingoftheforest]

I'm a little surprised that Stomache 9 was left out the group

I don't feel it's responsible to discuss this on a forum with the maturity level shown here.

Too many people will want to use it as a toy to try on their friends from ny experience.


It has severe ramifications medically if misused.

[mellow]

I'm a little surprised that Stomache 9 was left out the group

[Red Rum]

The trouble is that a lot of arts claim that pressure points are energy spots where hitting them disrupts the chi. I'm glad to see that the guys on here have given it a more scientific tone

I spent a couple of years looking at dim mak and other arts looking at pressure point techniques, but claim to the conclusion that most were stupidly hard to find and exploit

Obvious ones that have been pointed out are the temple and the wrist
However, I would much rather smash someone as hard as I can in the face than try to find their pressure point!!
Maybe thats just me

There was a great youtube clip posted on a news report about this guy who went round various schools and knocked students over with the power of touch as well as non touch. It ended brilliantly with a Carlos Gracie student not being affected in the slightest by the technique

[jubaji]

That's not a good idea.

[kingoftheforest]

Get 'em by the balls

Those are pressure points used for control methods. I have never had much faith in them in that sense. Some people respond to most of them but others may react even more violently when those are applied.

I prefer and unconscious person. They are easier to control. Some points are set up points when struck that will cause the body to react in a way opening up a chance for incapacitation. I have been more interested and done more study on this aspect as opposed to pain compliance.

There aren't anypoints you can just press that I have found that will make some one curl up and do whatever you want.

If you want someone to follow you where you need them I just grab their nutsack and pull them up on their toes. They usually follow along at that point, protesting and possibly squealing, but following none the less.

[kingoftheforest]

Not a Kosher Dill man

Well I was hoping Dillman wouldn't come up here but I guess you can't say conspiracy theory without somebody saying "DickHardman?"

I could care less about Dillman he has already been proven publicly on record by a female reporter as being a fraud since he couldn't even knock here down much less out.

This is just the information I have gleaned from what I have studied and personally experienced. I used several acupressure and acupuncture charts as well as numerous publications and experimentation to come to these conclusion. Along with some expert knowledge from some very fine instructors.

The main thing I have learned is that nothing I found is new. This is just a better understanding of the terrain I am attacking. It's kind of like a satellite map the military uses to attack enemy positions, only since I don't plan on fighting an entire army with an army, I just need to map the areas to attack on a person with the weapons on my person.

Mainly my hands, feet, arms, legs, head, and the parts in between, plus any weapons I may be handling. It's always good to have a general bulls eye to aim at.