MMA Sport fighting and Kung Fu combative, the real difference...

[jubaji]

When grappler attacks a Kung Fu fighter, it is sort of like attacking a tiger with claws etc. What do you think will happen?

I think the LARPer who thinks he is a tiger will get beat to hell and lose even more sense.

[jubaji]

Things that developed in a preliterate society tend to have simple names associated with objects people can remember.

Writing developed in China looooooooooooooong before any CMA that we know of today.

[Ben Grimm]

That's very true.

[kingoftheforest]

I have to say that i couldnt stand learning Kung Fu... "Tiger claw" "Eagle Claw" etc etc, sounds like it is aimed at children...

Things that developed in a preliterate society tend to have simple names associated with objects people can remember.

[-FIGJAM-]

because i can...

[-FIGJAM-]

I have to say that i couldnt stand learning Kung Fu... "Tiger claw" "Eagle Claw" etc etc, sounds like it is aimed at children... I thought MMA was suss with the "Mount Position" or "Reverse Mount" but clearly there is gayer alternatives out there.

How does this sound... i will fight any Kung Fu practitioner, no rules, no gloves, on the stret (the hard concrete) and someone can stop the fight when either of us tap? My background is MT and MMA

[Junka]

They are too far gone for truth, all they want is the next lynching and dismiss even the thought that they may be totally wrong about their false assumptions and the lies they have believed.

I have to say my first experience of these forums was being accused of being another, earlier poster with a new screen name. Once I suggested comparing the originating countries of the suspected IP addresses, this was however quickly dropped.

A more realistic version would be that a KF practitioner intercepts his opponents attack.

the tiger is just a fancy archaic way of sayibg it.

I was thinking more along the lines of the attacker having to deal with a tiger stylist who uses tiger claws and eagle claws etc and many other Chin na defenses with close quarter fighting. As well as many techniques developed to expose the vital areas and other breaking techniques.

I was just putting it out there. If I were in TC's position (granted he brought it on himself)

I didn't bring anything on, the people who falsely assumed things about me based on their own wrong reasoning and understanding have said many things of their own self. I have been honest , fair and stood firm in my convictions about Chines Kung Fu. I have share some techniques with others in hopes of mutual discussion and got rude horrible mean spirited comments from many. Yes, i did then rebuke some and this caused them to go into a raging huff of pride swelling out at the edges. Extreme arrogance and incredibly false assumptions and lies spewed out of them and it kept on coming. As if they were a bunch of starving animals just hoping to tear apart the next person that even for a second suggest that their beloved Ultimate fighter mindset was not possibly the ultimate. In a rush to judgement, hoping to visciously attack another human being and vent their frustrations about their lives at the newest supposed fake, they wrongly believe every lie that comes along and eagerly wait for more juicy gossip. Like a bunch of frantic giggling groupies at a rock concert they franticly rush into the sites and feast on the garbage that is dished out to them. It doesn't matter if the person they attack is honest and has proven many things about himself. They are too far gone for truth, all they want is the next lynching and dismiss even the thought that they may be totally wrong about their false assumptions and the lies they have believed. And so they go on, waiting, hoping, eagerly sitting at their computer table for a morsel of meat to chew on.

These are the ones that brought on all the mess. Not me.

[kingoftheforest]

A more realistic version would be that a KF practitioner intercepts his opponents attack.

the tiger is just a fancy archaic way of sayibg it.

In KF you really aren't supposed to throw the first strike.

Shoalin attributes it to not being the aggressor.

Some argue it gives away your intentions to soon.

But the idea is to intercept and acquire proper range then strike out like a whip.

If you don't want to be cryptic and 12th century.

I just sent a PM to Tant with my phone number, and a link to pictures. I had no problem doing this, and although I know I am not the problem with this trolling stuff, I agree with you, and won't ask anyone to do something I won't do myself.

have you had guys say things like this to you recently, as I have,

"From Lebell,

"...sooner or later i will find out who you really are, you realise this dont you?
Wether you use a false name right now or not, i will find you.
I will travel to the town you live.
I'll work at a mcdonalds to afford the cheap hookerinfested hotelstay, where i will spend night after night going through phonebooks and making calls to every martial artist, every forum and every online ma-dvd store, i'll get help from hackers and i WILL track you down.
Once i have discovered your indentity i will observe you and your habits, the place where you live and with whom you live.
I will become you, for by then you are my prey.
I'll be the beggar asking you for change, ...
Each time i will size you up, knowing you better, learning your deepest fears, i'll be up in my cheap hotelroom staring at your pictures on the wall...drinking scotch and listening to the pimps keeping their hoes in check.
Eventually i will move in.
At first it will seem like coincedences......
you'll rush home to call the police.
You will find the phonelines are dead....your cellphone seems to be misplaced.
Then you'll hear a dark raspy voice....' Bruceeeeeeeeeee...'
You'll look around but there's noone there...
' Bruceeeeee....master bruce.......'
Then it hits you...you suddenly remember this post...'but it was years ago? could it be?' you will ask yourself...
It is Bruce...
As you panic and rush towards your frontdoor yelling like a little girl that you didnt mean anything of all this and that it was all a joke...you'll find a 6 feet 5 guy in a gimpsuit blocking your only escape...
...
There will be a shiver down your spine, and cold sweat appears on your forehead....your heart is going crazy and you can feel it beating in your throat...your eyes tear up and your legs are shaky and feel like they are poured into cement...
Then the 6 feet 5 gimp will say: ' OH HAI BRUCE!..."

Like i said there are many strange and potentially dangerous people out there.

I am not afraid of him physically. But I don't care for myself only.

This kind of stuff crosses the line in my book. Like I said some of the people I have dealt with are the worst kind of people and martial artist. There is much worse stuff than this.

This post didn't get him banned on another site.

[kingoftheforest]

I just sent a PM to Tant with my phone number, and a link to pictures. I had no problem doing this, and although I know I am not the problem with this trolling stuff, I agree with you, and won't ask anyone to do something I won't do myself.

I'd say the ball is in TC's court. If he does the same and Tant confirms I'll just put him on ignore.

If he doesn't I'll just put him on ignore.

[Junka]

Calm down TC I wasn't attacking you. It was more a general point about biting, gouging and ball grabbing, various people come out with this as if it nullifies the need to understand grappling. Some Gung Fu includes grappling, no?

First off, I don't train to attack Kung Fu fighters, or Karateka or even particularly other grapplers. I keep in mind the 'average street thug'. If you read my post on another thread I actually mentioned grappling with a KF guy who also trains BJJ and being quite impressed with his repertoire.

I also feel though, that people who attack BJJ often do so without ever having tried the art and therefore many of the arguments, including yours, lack sufficient understanding to make a reliable critique.

if the person being attacked was a woman being raped. I would not teach her to grapple the attacker, I would teach her how to escape as fast and effectively as possible.

I would also try and escape as fast as possible in a real situation, especially if the other guy was a steroid built lunatic. I feel that BJJ has some very simple yet elegant escape strategies to accomplish this. I'm not knocking what you do but there's never any harm in trying something different and seeing if you can incorporate it and use it. I learn other stuff any time I get the chance.

Eye gouging, biting and ball grabbing
This one really pisses me off. It's not specific to anyone's style in fact it's pretty cave man, it's not rocket science and it's a lazy answer.
If you're mounted then whilst trying to grab the other guys balls you may find the reign of punches falling on your head quite disconcerting.
You can't reach the eyes from under the mount if the other guy has good posture and, even if you upset his base and you can reach his eyes, he can reach yours too.

Biting can work but the mount isn't a good example of when it can it can work and, furthermore like I said it's not due to any martial arts training, any fool can bite someone.

You really don't know what you are talking about here IT SEEMS. When grappler attacks a Kung Fu fighter, it is sort of like attacking a tiger with claws etc. What do you think will happen?

As soon as a grappler attacks the Kung Fu fighter and has his vital organs attacked, (and there are more tan just some basic techniques here) the grappler changes his position that he was in and it give the Kung Fu fighter a escape and moment to get up or attack another area. i am not saying that vital strikes are the only attack and defense. but they have very valuable effectiveness in actual combat. especially if the person being attacked was a woman being raped. I would not teach her to grapple the attacker, I would teach her how to escape as fast and effectively as possible. Anyone who would teach her otherwise, I would suspect that they could put her in danger, in my opinion.

And yes he can reach my eyes also, the fights usually end with the person who can attack the vitals and then finish with solid strikes or breaks. It is much different than the MMA sport arena rules, legally bound, gloves and no vital strike fights we see on TV so often.

[kingoftheforest]

Then, why is Dale Dugas not worried? He has pictures of himself, links to his studio, everything.
And as I said, I belong to another forum where not only do we know each other's real names, but we have MET in person at events.
A real martial arts sifu or sensei or teacher should have NO problem posting legitimate information.
Just don't come on these forums making outreageous and UNPROVEABLE statements, and then refuse to back them up.

Tell you what, KOTF....I have NO doubts that you are a martial artist. Nothing you have written makes me think there is a problem with you. I may not agree with you, but you are not the issue here.

I was just putting it out there. If I were in TC's position (granted he brought it on himself) I wouldn't want people to have any more info on me than they can already get.

I suggested a better alternative several times and it was ignored. I emailed video to Tant01 a while back. I suggest TC set it up with Tant and let him vet the guy.

Tant knows pretty much what to look for and he's a Mod. Other people from this forum have met me in person and trained with me.

I suggest you do the same Arieson. Send a pic to Tant he'll vet you and none of these clowns can argue with it.




Well then can but hell they'd just look sillier.