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I have been shown an escape for every hold/submission but I have been told by military S.M.E.'s and civilian L.E.O's that a properly applied RNC works so fast you don't have time.


These are all experts in their fields.

Well, then you were taught wrong. And most likely they did not know certain fast escapes then. Like the one I showed.

[Junka]

, there are many escapes for this move and arm bars and every other possible grappling situation. There is an escape for everything.

During grappling we put the arm bar, or any submission, on progressively to allow the other person to tap. Otherwise it would be a limb/joint/tendon damaging matter. So basically, once the arm bar is on, the question of escape is pretty futile. There are plenty of ways to prevent it before it's on though.

[kingoftheforest]

I heard some say, in other forums that there is no escape for this move. LOL, there are many escapes for this move and arm bars and every other possible grappling situation. There is an escape for everything. Some just don't know certain escapes so they think there is none.

I have been shown an escape for every hold/submission but I have been told by military S.M.E.'s and civilian L.E.O's that a properly applied RNC works so fast you don't have time.


These are all experts in their fields.

[jubaji]

There is no escape from your bullshit.

Im sure it does work against a smaller opponent who isnt even trying to choke you out. I'd suggest you actually try that technique properly yourself before standing by it.

When somone goes for a choke like that you only have a few seconds before lights are out, fiddling around trying to reach for the arm and bend it this n' that way is far to technical; you need somthing simple direct and easy to pull off in a high stress situation.

This technique works great in a high stress, resistant situation. i have done this like that. It can be done very fast, if PROPER TECHNIQUE AND PRACTICE IS DONE. Like every martial arts move.

And it is very easy to get that left hand up under the elbow.

I suggest some try this first and when they see how very effective it is, then come back and comment.

The pushing up of the elbow is much easier than catching the hand at the back of the head. But even the hand catch at the back of the head is not that hard.

This is one of the better escapes against this technique.

It is certainly better than what some have said. I heard some say, in other forums that there is no escape for this move. LOL, there are many escapes for this move and arm bars and every other possible grappling situation. There is an escape for everything. Some just don't know certain escapes so they think there is none.

[Junka]

If properly applied the RNC is pretty much inescapable.


The best defense is to not wind up in it, otherwise if the opponent knows what he/she is doing it'll be over before you can say

"Oh Shit!"

Yep, thinking about it, I agree..

[KenshiRyan]

If properly applied the RNC is pretty much inescapable.


The best defense is to not wind up in it, otherwise if the opponent knows what he/she is doing it'll be over before you can say

"Oh Shit!"

Right on the money man.

[kingoftheforest]

If properly applied the RNC is pretty much inescapable.


The best defense is to not wind up in it, otherwise if the opponent knows what he/she is doing it'll be over before you can say

"Oh Shit!"

[Junka]

When somone goes for a choke like that you only have a few seconds before lights are out

Yep and if the person knows what they're doing then your off balance backwards too. Actually I think it requires about 10-20 seconds to put someone out with that choke.

Anyone got anymore, preferably simple things to do about that one? I posted a shoulder throw earlier from the submission101 guys and described the KM version I was taught which was essentially driving backwards and hoping you drive 'em into something hard enough to cause them to let go.

Any others?

Being grabbed round the neck from behind does seem like a likely scenario.

[KenshiRyan]

Regardless of what some will say this techniques does work. I suggest some try it first before they attack it.

Im sure it does work against a smaller opponent who isnt even trying to choke you out. I'd suggest you actually try that technique properly yourself before standing by it.

Why didnt you include pictures of the attacker resisting? or better yet an attacker that isnt a boy hanging off your shoulders?.

When somone goes for a choke like that you only have a few seconds before lights are out, fiddling around trying to reach for the arm and bend it this n' that way is far to technical; you need somthing simple direct and easy to pull off in a high stress situation.
If hes going to stand there like a nitwit why not stomp back at his knee cap? it'd be alot more reliable to do that than to try reaching back to grab his arm losing valuable seconds, especially if you are shorter since you wont have as much reach.

Sorry this has just further proved you've never had to actually APPLY that technique, this is likely the case for majourity of your "experience"

I could even post a picture in here of me holding a paper with I am TigerClaw. Would that silence your attacks?

Nice to see you still havent stood by your own word though.

You are relying on the fact that you can overpower your opponent.

This does not follow the principles of the TCMA's

NNNNNNNNNNNNope, I believe this technique is can be done even by a smaller woman against a larger opponent. It depends on leverage and proper body angles and torquing of the body.

I have done this technique against full resistance and even from the ground position as well.

I think it is one of the better escapes from this RNC or blood choke.

Leverage, Chin Na techniuqes, stances, body positioning and locks etc etc are all part of this technique and they all follow the principles of CMA.

The only thing I would mention about this technique that i did not show, is if the person tries to pull you back, you need to crouch and bend forward slightliy and shift your body to the side, this allows you to strengthen your position.

[kingoftheforest]

You are relying on the fact that you can overpower your opponent.

This does not follow the principles of the TCMA's

Here is just one escape for the rear naked choke there are many.

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchoke1filmLR.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchoke2grainLR.jpg

On the second one you may need to bend forward a bit so he can't take you to the ground . If he tries shift to the side and continue with the technique.

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchoke3grainLR.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchoke4grainLR.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchoke5grainLR.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/Rearnakedchoke6LR.jpg

Here is a close up of the tiger hand,. You can use eagle claws or tiger claws for the locks.

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/HungFighter/CloseupchokenewLR.jpg

Regardless of what some will say this techniques does work. I suggest some try it first before they attack it.

[KenshiRyan]

I said there is Murder, this is one things, then killing someone in self defense. i was not saying murder is self defense. I classified two different aspects.

ah I see, appoligies my bad then;

either way though you kill somone.
The rule is "thou shalt not kill" so if you kill in self defence that's still killing, so my answer is still No.

Just go away and bother other people, your discussion is of no value..

My discussion is of no value?
Im sorry but are you blind? do the constant complaints you get not give you the hint that maybe just maaaaybe your discussion is of no value?

Or post pictures of your defense for a standing rear naked choke escape.

look I dont know what kind of sick get off you've got going in your head right now but I've told you already, I do not own a digital camera and quite frankly the idea of borrowing one too prove myself to some larping troll doesnt give me any satisfaction what so ever,
as much as Im sure you'd satisfy yourself with it.

You cant even stand by YOUR original claim to post a picture of you holding a piece of paper saying "I am tigerclaw"

Why exactly do I have to prove myself to you when you cant even stand by your own word?.

your just starting to sound like a pervert now.

Just go away and bother other people, your discussion is of no value.

Or post pictures of your defense for a standing rear naked choke escape.