MMA Sport fighting and Kung Fu combative, the real difference...

[USArmyBJJ]

But on the other hand a simple video of you and a student just sparring even light contact would at least prove to these doubters that yes you do in fact teach and have some kung fu knowledge. Not that you have anything to prove because I feel the same way but at least it would shut them up and stop them from irritating you (unless you enjoy them calling you a lier and a fraud).

I think that's a fair statement. It won't convince everyone (nothing ever will), but it's a good start.

[JadeDragon]

TigerClaw.....I see both sides on this arguement. Yes, you are right on that if you used the brutal techniques that you have learned in kung fu it will seriously injure the person your demonstating on because these techniques were designed for life and death situations, not sporting events. But on the other hand a simple video of you and a student just sparring even light contact would at least prove to these doubters that yes you do in fact teach and have some kung fu knowledge. Not that you have anything to prove because I feel the same way but at least it would shut them up and stop them from irritating you (unless you enjoy them calling you a lier and a fraud).

TigerClaw....I think that the reason these mma guys are so disrespectful is that they were never in one specific art long enough to learn that there is more to martial arts than just fighting. They never learned the respect/honor/humility aspect of martial arts. Like Bruce Lee said in Enter the Dragon.....he practiced the art of fighting without fighting.

OK - that's understandable. Why not post a video of you sparring one of your students or someone that you know? That way you might be able to shut the naysayers up.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to want proof of your qualifications, and I think a nice sparring vid would be that proof. Otherwise - I agree with you. Fighting people you encounter on the internet is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Possibly in the future

I can say, however, that I find you a bit more reasonable to talk with than some of these others. Except when you say these type of things,

"I mean, yes TigerClaw is obnoxious and silly,'

But, I can let that pass, due to the climate in these places. No need to even discuss it.

later.

[USArmyBJJ]

I don't even want to meet some of these men. That is why. If they had come into my class and I knew them and they were wanting to spar, fine. But not the way these people talk and react.

OK - that's understandable. Why not post a video of you sparring one of your students or someone that you know? That way you might be able to shut the naysayers up.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to want proof of your qualifications, and I think a nice sparring vid would be that proof. Otherwise - I agree with you. Fighting people you encounter on the internet is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

You did say earlier that you "spar" right? Why not spar someone then? You don't have to "fight" them if you see that as different for whatever reason. Just spar them and show everyone what you can do. Why not?

I don't even want to meet some of these men. That is why. If they had come into my class and I knew them and they were wanting to spar, fine. But not the way these people talk and react.

And I didn't go on there challenging them to fight. i merely discussed the reality of combat and survival fighting. I showed that the sport fighting and rules fighting that we see today is not real fighting for combat. In combat fighting there are no gloves, rules, no ring to trap a person against, no reff, etc and anything goes. many of the illegal moves in sport fighting do not apply. DSuch as eye attacks, groin attacks, spinal attacks, vital strikes, finger breaks and arm breaks, joint breaks and many other pressure pont strikes. All of which will end the fght very quickly. To truely see the reality of Kung Fu it would have to be a life and death combat situation. You can still see many aspects of kung Fu in sparring etc , but not what i was talking about. To lock a attacker who has a knife and he shoots in arond your legs and starts to stab you in the back or back of the legs etc, you may need to lock his necj and twist. that is a very dangerous technique, or maime him by clawing the inner lip and eyelid at the same time and torquing around. this tears the skin. Again, not something that can really be done in a sport fight. So the proof of such claims, these arrogant men want to test. they even say things like, go ahead do any of those things to me. Why would I want to do that at all, ever to them. Unless it was life and death.

Do you see where I am coming from.

What would you do if a man said lets fight and no rules, and you have to sign a waver, and he wanted you to try your life and death techniques, because he mocked them and said they don't wrk and called you out on them?

I know there are many other things that can still be done and many techniques etc. but the issue was survival combat techniques as opposed to sport rules fighting in the Ultimate fighter TV show or MMA matches.

What really happens is that some of these men get so proud that even the thought that they are not the "ULTIMATE" fighters drives them into a frenzy and furious rage. I have heard many of them as they speak like this. Pride wells up and they want to attack and fight and in some cases even maime or kill. Why put yourself into that situation to prove that there are serious life and death techniques in kung Fu that are very different than sport fighting. if they don't believe it, so what, I don't care.It would prove nothing to me or for me to engage in such a fight. They would be seriously hurt and I would be sued.

And no, it would not remain a light sparing fight. As soon as they were countered and kicked hard in the groin. A serious fight would happen. I had a man like this attack me a while ago and i countered his attack and snapped my fingers hard just above his brow. he was startled and got frustrated. then I countered again two of his strikes and I stood up in a crane stance and kicked hard just beside his groin. he again realized if i was fighting it would have been different. But he kept getting more aggressive. Fortunatley , he stopped and wanted to learn Kung Fu after that. by the way i fought in stances with form and used snake techniques.

This true story again here, sums up what goals I have for my students and how I am happy to hear that they reacted in this way,

"It is interesting how many times I have heard stories from my students how the kung Fu I have taught them worked in a real fight situation. Sadly, they have had people attack them and bother them. This happens for a variety of reasons. They may be just practicing on a bag in a gym and some come over and challenge them, or as I heard recently, someone was bothering and hitting one of my students friends at school and they came over to them and started bothering them also and started tapping them in the face and threatening them. Apparently this guy was a bully type and very rude etc.
But my student used some of the techniques I taught them and quickly walked over their attackers guard and "PULLED " the strike they would have done or could have done to the attacker right in front of their face, when the person tried to block it they rolled over again and struck them again, But they "PULLED (held back just short of striking them) " the technique again, and one last time the attacker tried to grab their arms and control them, they used a different techniques and used their elbow to roll over the grab and back fist them to the face, But again, they "PULLED" the technique and maintained total control. The attacker was convinced and said, "Ok, I get it" and walked away. This was a real fight situation, not a set up sparing situation.

By the way, this man was a larger opponent that my student.

I am happy to see three things here. First of all that they pulled their techniques and still managed to stop the attack. they were able to convince the attacker of their ability without really hurting him at all. Secondly that they have learned from their practicing and that it works for them. And thirdly that the moral , integrity and concern for others still remained even though the situation was volitile. I am very pleased to hear how they responded. And I know that they would have been able to overcome them for real if they needed to. This student is very fast and strong. But he did all this in form and with control. I don't need to prove anything to others, my students prove it for me and to me, by demonstrating what they have learned.

If other sifus here could learn this, I think this would help the image of martial arts today, GREATLY.

Please consider what I say here. Again the student was in control of his emotions and his fist. Fantastic!!

[USArmyBJJ]

This part is correct and I agree with you here. But these men are in some sort of veiled fight club. they have that kind of mentality to me.

You did say earlier that you "spar" right? Why not spar someone then? You don't have to "fight" them if you see that as different for whatever reason. Just spar them and show everyone what you can do. Why not?

Why, though? What would that really prove? I would hate to think that no one could argue theory on the internet without having to fight everyone else on the internet to prove that the theory works. Not only would it not prove much, but it seems a bit childish.

This part is correct and I agree with you here. But these men are in some sort of veiled fight club. they have that kind of mentality to me. They are far from the integrity and honour that I was taught by my instructors and that I teach as well. More like the villans in the old Kung fu movies who go around challenging other teachers and attacking them.

This is against my principles. But they just mock further and try to get me to go against my principles, they say things like I am a coward or fearful etc. All provoking words to stir up a fight. just like a person would do who was a scrapper and brawler looking for a fight. These type of men are, to me the worst kinds of martial artist on the planet. And I am not speaking about their fighting skill.

Bruce has run from me many times. I have challenged him. I have offered to go to Canada at my own expense. The only thing he told me is that his school is run in some sort of fitness club. If my information is correct though, he works somewhere in Ontario, Canada. Will keep looking into it.

Running and avoiding are different things.

You have the wrong attitude for a martial artist , in my opinion. I would not want to teach a man like you.

Yeah that tends to happen when you go round claiming your art is superior to all, aswell as lieing and trying to discredit people saying they've done somthing they havent done, and ofcourse claiming to have have experience in somthing you've never done before. And just acting like a general arrogant idiot telling us how our arts will fail us cause we dont stick our fingers in an opponents mouth when they are trying to tackle us to the ground.

Its probly best you stop putting yourself through all that strain and go larp elsewhere.

I don't claim to be better than anyone. I have spoken of the value of kung Fu, (in my own understanding) and the weakness of certain things i have seen in other styles. but all martial artist do this.

I also have not lied about others, if so show me where?

I also have not claimed wrong experience. I have constantly spoken the truth about my styles and sifus, what little info I have given.

As far as my observation and experience with grappling and what i have said about the sport fighting aspect of it. I have had people agree with me on this and who understand what I say.

they want to go to the school and meet him, see what he teaches.

No, some don't want to do just this, they want some sort of fight club and to film it. I have had some almost give death threats in their arogance and hate. Others say there would be no rules, I can use all my deadly techniques on them etc. They even say I would have to sign some sort of waver if either of us got seriously hurt etc. What kind of maniacs are out there?

I am always ready for such punks to come in and attack me. But I hope for their sake they don't. Also for my sake, I don't want to get sued. Also, I heard of a similar punk who went into a Martial arts school speaking garbage and attacked the instructor. The instructor easily overcame him but he smashed the mans jaw so hard that he had to have wires keep it together. The attacker sued the teacher and he lost everything. I seek to avoid this kind of thing at all cost. And no i will not enter into a sport fight with them, with their rules and gloves etc. So the only other option is for them to assault me and either be seriously hurt or get sued. I think sueing them and having them arrested is the best route for such men. 4 to 5 years in jail for assault, that sounds good.

i only want to teach those who show proper respect and who would not be like these men. I feel somewhat responsible for those I teach and how I teach. Some would call this an old fashioned way of teacher and student etc. Well, yes, I suppose so.

[USArmyBJJ]

No, it works on resistant opponents. And yes, like any technique there is always an escape. But this will work, especially if the attacker is not expecting it. And truthfully, before I showed this I am sure that some had not even thought of such an attack. Imagine if you shot in on a Kung Fu teacher and he did this to you when you weren't expecting it.

To be honest, I don't think it would work at all - or at least, very very rarely. Perhaps a video might help everyone's understanding of it. Do you have one? (it doesn't have to be of you doing it - just anyone demonstrating it live)

I'm sure that all works just great in 'theory' against someone with no idea how to set up or execute a decent shot, is completely compliant, and is moving in slow motion.

No, it works on resistant opponents. And yes, like any technique there is always an escape. But this will work, especially if the attacker is not expecting it. And truthfully, before I showed this I am sure that some had not even thought of such an attack. Imagine if you shot in on a Kung Fu teacher and he did this to you when you weren't expecting it. By the way there are many other techniques that can be done against the shoot that some would not expect.

The shoot is not the be all and end all of all grappling. neither is the arm bar or the rear naked choke etc etc.

they want to go to the school and meet him, see what he teaches. My instructor was called out by some people in Australia, happens all the time, except i must say he did give all details and a time and date for them to come to the gym and watch, even join in.

All the pictures worked for me. Not the best flyer though Tiger, no details means that no one can join up...

I leave out certain things to avoid the mockers and evil men knowing more and bothering others. I have no fear at all of these men. I just have no desire to teach them or even meet them. I think if you heard the rude vulgar things some of them have said to me you may agree.

[jubaji]

Maybe you've got a lot of common sense in your old age!