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  • #16
    At 47 seconds

    The Strike at 47 seconds is called hon jau. It is a strike with the end of the arm not the wrist and is one of the hardest striking areas of the body.
    Regards

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
      i know this is Baji you're describing but if you took out the baji at the beginning of the paragraph it'd swear you were describing Hsing Yi.
      Bingo, and that's why lineage tracing matters.


      Originally posted by kingoftheforest View Post
      So what's the biggest difference in the two. Hsin Yi I know gets it's roots from Tong Bei as well. it also blasts through the center line and uses something similar to the charging step, although it may be more or a drop step than a charge?
      You know how Boar never biases a technique? This is why. The power generation method of Hsin Yi and Baji are both from Tong Bei, however the Hsin yi sets focus on using the fist to smash into the opponent as their primary weapon. Baji will use the same power methods but they emphasize the shoulder, elbow and hip bash. The ranges the techniques apply at is different as are the timings of the release of energy.

      Keep in mind that every technique should contain the possibility of use as a strike, a lock and a throw. Bias towards any of those will modify the range, timing and power usage of the entire set.

      Tong Bei and the arts derived from it are more or less specific timings of specific types of power generation expressed at various ranges. Since all 3 elements (strike, lock, throw) must be present in each technique the thing that defines a system is the range and timings it focuses training upon. Since the principles of combat and the principles of the arts are the same throughout, each art should contain elements of the other.

      In other words the timing, range, and thus the different applications that manifest set them apart more than the movements themselves.
      Last edited by TTEscrima; 01-20-2009, 07:45 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by sparky12 View Post
        The Strike at 47 seconds is called hon jau. It is a strike with the end of the arm not the wrist and is one of the hardest striking areas of the body.
        Regards
        The "hand" is from the fingertips to the shoulder, the strike can manifest anywhere along the line depending on range. Biasing the strike to a specific hand position or striking area defines a technique instead of the concept that is underlying the arts power generation and usage.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
          Again I declare my ignorance of Kung-fu but would these strikes TARGET SPECIFIC vascular or STRUCTURAL elements NOT limited to centerline defence but with INTENTIONAL deanimation in mind?
          Absolutely.



          Originally posted by Tant01 View Post
          At the most sanguinary I see outright killing as the objectiove if the INTENT is there? (and a weapon)???
          Baji is one of the more straightforward systems within the CMA's.

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          • #20
            Here a look at some applications.

            YouTube - Bajiquan Kua - Master Zhou jingxuan

            Baji is nearly always taught alongside Piqua.

            Piqua application:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLN7C...eature=related


            Piqua form:

            YouTube - Pigua Quan Flying Dragon Fist
            Last edited by TTEscrima; 01-24-2009, 07:48 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TTEscrima View Post
              Here a look at some applications.

              YouTube - Bajiquan Kua - Master Zhou jingxuan

              Baji is nearly always taught alongside Piqua.

              Piqua application:

              YouTube - Baji Pigua - Form applications - Master Zhou jingxuan


              Piqua form:

              YouTube - Pigua Quan Flying Dragon Fist
              Nice... I've always liked watching Baji Quan performed. First time I've seen some good Piqua Zhang that wasn't wushu-ified...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by clfsean View Post
                Nice... I've always liked watching Baji Quan performed. First time I've seen some good Piqua Zhang that wasn't wushu-ified...
                Why don't you post a clip of you doing something in here or pics?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TigerClaw View Post
                  Why don't you post a clip of you doing something in here or pics?
                  I've told you before if you want lessons, contact me & we'll work something out.

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                  • #24
                    That's the stuff!

                    Originally posted by TTEscrima View Post
                    Here a look at some applications.

                    YouTube - Bajiquan Kua - Master Zhou jingxuan

                    Baji is nearly always taught alongside Piqua.

                    Piqua application:

                    YouTube - Baji Pigua - Form applications - Master Zhou jingxuan


                    Piqua form:

                    YouTube - Pigua Quan Flying Dragon Fist

                    Very good! Thanks kindly!

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