Technique discussions, pictures and video etc.

[DaleDugas]

So? Maybe he just gives private lessons. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all!!! No different from tutoring in math or science.

I've tried what he offered, and it worked. What else can be causing a problem?

it seems we have met Bruces long lost twin.

dear lord you are something else.

[LuohanFist]

Nothing wrong with private lessons.

But, nobody can vouch for him and he won't even vouch for himself.

It is that simple. Nobody will take him seriously until then because we have no reason to.

Of course he can vouch for himself. He's a grown man.
Why is this coming up?

Again, quite frankly, does it matter?

[bobblehead]

I don't take him seriously because he shows lame technique with an ignorant uke.

[LuohanFist]

It doesn't matter if you take him seriously. If you have him as a teacher, you will know if he is legit or not. He's a grown man, and doesn't need to make up crap. Seriously, I don't know what this is about, but quite frankly, I haven't seen anything suspicious, or even remotely off.

As far as I can tell, TigerClaw is a perfectly legit instructor with a solid background. Prove me wrong.

[bunnyfufuman]

Well if you and Bruce are just going to ignore me then I'm out. So much for sharing techniques.

[LuohanFist]

See, that's what I thought. Nothing against the man. Just smear campaign.

TigerClaw, what else can you show technique-wise? I'm ignoring everyone.

[Uncle Skippy]

See, that's what I thought. Nothing against the man. Just smear campaign.

Not at all.

His beliefs are fringe beliefs. **HIS** Kung Fu has no lineage and nobody to vouch for him.

He has done nothing to resolve this.

He is simply alone on here, preaching his beliefs and always needing to be right in his own mind.

[TigerClaw]

I don't know, bad is enough. I just won't deal with this guy.

Now, another one of the strikes I learned, is Luohan Carries Flag, which involves raising a fist for momentum, while simultaneously raising the leg of the same side. Both come down hard, with the raised hand lowering in a downward palm strike. This can be a lethal application with a palm to the Bai Hui crown point.

The stomp adds a nasty momentum to the strike. This particular one, is common to many Shaolin Forms if I am not mistaken. Has anyone tried something along this line? IMO, it has nice stunning power when not done full force.

Yes, some of the Shaolin forms I know have moves like "Hero sits on the bench" etc.

I would like to see what your forms look like, is there any video anywhere, of your instructors or yourself?

[BoonDog]

LuohanFist

Which technique of TigerClaw’s are you discussing. When you say that your defense worked and needs timing? We have seen his RNC defense and his shoot defense.
Also, what grappling training did the uke in your test have?
When did you train in NYC and was Thad Wong the head instructor at that time?


Just trying to understand so I can have a good, civil discussion.

[TigerClaw]

Question: And how, by chance, would you (someone who does not train in grappling) get someone who trains in grappling as his primary art into that position?

Answer: IMAGINATION!!!

Why can you not see that simple logic.

Kung Fu trains in ground fighting and grappling as well. What are you talking about. You mean, I don't train in your specific club.

[LuohanFist]

Yes, some of the Shaolin forms I know have moves like "Hero sits on the bench" etc.

I would like to see what your forms look like, is there any video anywhere, of your instructors or yourself?

Hey TigerClaw.
Unfortunately, I can't afford a web cam yet, so there have been no videos of me performing, but I will look for an example when I get out of class. Youtube is blocked here

The instructor I had was a student of the current instructor at New York Shaolin. You can google those guys, they should have several, although not specifically Luohan.

It's a really cool form. It revolves around using the body's momentum and the stancing to redirect the force of gravity, and qi, into various vital points of the human body, causing organs and bones to be bruised and severely dammaged. Something like this can never be used in MMA. My bro and I constantly pull our punches, because full contact can cause lasting dammage.

[LuohanFist]

Kung Fu trains in ground fighting and grappling as well. What are you talking about. You mean, I don't train in your specific club.

It's true. You can hit from the ground just like you can hit from standing position. Nothing amazing to it. What's the big deal everyone?

[TigerClaw]

So? Maybe he just gives private lessons. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all!!! No different from tutoring in math or science.

I've tried what he offered, and it worked. What else can be causing a problem?

Hey just ignore them, they lie so often, it is hard to tell when they speak truth. I am a teacher of Kung Fu for many years I teach at two locations and I have also done private lessons.

I just don't want to even meet such men, little enough get into some kind of fight club or arrogant challenges with them. I only use kung fu for self defense and helping others. To fight for other reasons ( besides sparring with my students and other classmates in clubs) goes against my principles.

It would profit me nothing to fight with such men.

They don't understand my principles and that is the real issue. It has nothing at all to do with fear of any of them.

[Uncle Skippy]

You mean, I don't train in your specific club.

Wrong. You are trying to play the victim again. That won't work.

You are performing these techniques against unskilled ground fighting practitioners with little or no pressure or resistance.

If you did apply correct pressure and resistance, it would become VERY obvious just how low percentage BOTH of the techniques you have shown in this thread truly are.

Do you know what 'low percentage' means?

How about 'early retention'? (Hint: this one doesn't deal with moving bowels)

[Uncle Skippy]

I just don't want to even meet such men, little enough get into some kind of fight club or arrogant challenges with them. I only use kung fu for self defense and helping others. To fight for other reasons ( besides sparring with my students and other classmates in clubs) goes against my principles.

Why does it always come down to 'fight club' or 'arrogant challenges'?

Sparring is sparring. If someone from here wanted to show up and spar, even on a GOOD premise, you would simply avoid them because

1) You would be hit in the face (which you have stated has only happened once in all the 20+ years you've been training)

2) You would not be able to fight 'in form' or 'in stances'

and

3) **YOUR** Kung Fu would be shown as weak

These are not lies nor false assumptions. It was all information gathered from your postings on this board and other boards.

Anything you say differently just shows how much you falsely assume and are on the wrong path in your martial arts and Kung Fu training.