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[TigerClaw]

well guys, me and my instructor went through Tiger's RNC and his shoot defence. With a bit of playing around and some changes they can work...
The shoot defense, will not work the way tiger described it. Simply put weight to movement doesnt allow for it to work. If you just step you will end up on your back because the force isnt changing direction, momentum pushes you over. however if you sprawl a little and redistribute the weight then it can work. Trick is to counter the shoot before they tackle you, if you can stop the momentum then you can use the technique.

Sorry, hard for me to explain

Here is another Kung Fu guy doing a escape from a RNC. He steps tp the side, something like I mentioned. Only he does it to the other side. I found his escape interesting

YouTube - Wing Chun Training - Rear Choke Escape

[TigerClaw]

Here is another guy with a solid technique, very similar to the one I showed. He has the right principle here, to attack the hand behind the head. the other hand , or arm around the neck is too strong.

YouTube - Defending rear naked choke

Just some more evidence backing up what i have been saying.

The real difference with his technique and mine is that he uses both hands to peel the hand from the bak of the head. i have also worked a similar technique out like this as well.

[bunnyfufuman]

Here is another Kung Fu guy doing a escape from a RNC. He steps tp the side, something like I mentioned. Only he does it to the other side. I found his escape interesting

YouTube - Wing Chun Training - Rear Choke Escape

See that's actually a reasonable escape. Yours is not this good.

[bunnyfufuman]

Here is another guy with a solid technique, very similar to the one I showed. He has the right principle here, to attack the hand behind the head. the other hand , or arm around the neck is too strong.

YouTube - Defending rear naked choke

Just some more evidence backing up what i have been saying.

The real difference with his technique and mine is that he uses both hands to peel the hand from the bak of the head. i have also worked a similar technique out like this as well.

This one is good too. Definitely better than your original. You also come off at a different angle. That angle doesn't work well.

[TigerClaw]

Did I say it was all of your stances?

No.

As a whole, your stances appear to be those of a person with little structured training.

It is subtly apparent in your weight distribution and your alignment.

Interestingly one of my newer students made a comment about how I move in stances. They had seen kung fu movies and other stance moves and thought they were just a show and not possible in real life. But after he saw me move in stances and fight from them and demonstrate techniques he said he was amazed and realizes that it is possible. I am just telling you what his comment was like.

He has begun his pursuit of stance training and practice in this area. Unfortunately he has some weakness in legs and feet. but he is slowly getting past it.

[TigerClaw]

See that's actually a reasonable escape. Yours is not this good.

Here is mine done by others very similar,

YouTube - MMA Stand-Up Fighting for Self Defense : How to Escape a Standing Choke Hold

I have seen it in other places as well, I will have to search around for it.

It does work, and everything I teach works good. Are you a martial arts instructor? do you have any background to justify your argument against it. Some have tried it in here and said it works. The technique I showed has to be done with the details of the move considered and applied .

By the way I also posted those other escapes to rebuke the men in here who say there is no escape from the RNC once locked in. These men who implied this know very little and are obviously not good martial arts students. They really have no answers for some attacks. But as I said there is always an answer.

[Tant01]

Silat Vs. Kung-Fu

This is true. You shouldn't tout your Kung Fu as a skill to show off in arrogant fights. You should show it off as spiritual refinement, and how it made you better as a person. Right TigerClaw?

I firmly believe this.

That depends on your definition of right and wrong.

Smearing a spiritual person like TigerClaw is wrong.

You sound like you have very bad Qi.
Your martial art training has obviously not brought you the same inner peace that TigerClaw has. What does that say about his training?

....

Kung Fu is a great means to reach the right path again. It clears your mind, and brings you spiritual oneness. That's why I love Kung Fu, man.

..... It's the technique that counts. And as long as enough people can make it work, it's all that matters.

Laying it on a little thick don't you think?

There is an old silat trick known in the west as "weak counterpart position". It's a deceptive tactic intended to put your victim at ease or feed the ego so as to instill false confidence.

Sometimes the pretty flowers smell the worse...

[-FIGJAM-]

TC, just because someone does it on You Tube, doesnt mean its that great or right.

did you click on the link i posted?

If you justify your videos on You Tube that you are linking, then i can justify a video of a Kung Fu fighter getting his arse handed to him by a bjj fighter. Or someone on the street dropping a Kung Fu clown.

Regardless of how accurate or how the film betrays the fight to be, i could still justify and show "evidence" of it and claim it to be true.

[Ben Grimm]

ok, thanks Ben, sorry must has missed your reply.

if you are on the matt and they have it locked in, you can get out of it. Need to give yourself some breathing space by getting your hands in between their elbow and forearm and your throat. Pull down a bit giving you room to breath basically. roll towards their bicep, from there you can move your body around abit and your head should pretty much slip out and you will be in side mount or in their guard. Takes timing and speed obviously, but it does work.

If they have you in a body triangle lock as well, do the same thing but use one hand to bask the inside of the knee which will release the grip.

Some ideas and what i have been shown.

I'll be on the mat tonight, so I'll give it a try and let you know how it went. Either way, thanks for the advice.

[TigerClaw]

At least there are some martial artist that agree with me and against you. So, don't use what I teach. However if you every do have a man attack you from behind seeking to hurt you in a RNC I am sure you will consider what I teach as an option.

[-FIGJAM-]

TC i wasnt having ago at your technique. If you read some of my past post you will see that i tried both of them. Neither of them worked for me, but after i tweaked them with my instructor i sore results. So i did learn something from your posts.

There is no solution that works for everyone. Some MMA chokes dont work on me because of my body make up. You have to allow for that.

[Ben Grimm]

Interestingly one of my newer students made a comment about how I move in stances. They had seen kung fu movies and other stance moves and thought they were just a show and not possible in real life. After he saw me move in stances and fight from them and demonstrate techniques he said that looks like a true master of LARPing and realizes that it is possible to be a master LARPer as well.

He has begun his pursuit of LARPing training and practice in this area. Unfortunately he doesn't have access to Shaw Brothers films. I'm sure I can lend him some.

Keep LARPing away Bruce.

[Uncle Skippy]

so much for exercising your creativity, eh? LOL

I was channeling Billy Madison :-)

[Tant01]

Or not...

Here is mine done by others very similar,...

It does work, and everything I teach works good. Are you a martial arts instructor? do you have any background to justify your argument against it. Some have tried it in here and said it works. The technique I showed has to be done with the details of the move considered and applied.

By the way I also posted those other escapes to rebuke the men in here who say there is no escape from the RNC once locked in. These men who implied this know very little and are obviously not good martial arts students. They really have no answers for some attacks. But as I said there is always an answer.

I don't think anyone here said there was NO ESCAPE from a rear naked choke... Perhaps I missed something?

Here's the thing... IF I were to apply a standing RNC and the defender attempted THAT defense technique I could easily get his hands off my arms by making him break his fall. It's fairly instinctive to put your arms out when you're about to impact terrain with your face.

I have read folks here tell how precious FEW seconds the defender may have but we must also REALIZE how easily the attacker can buy time to finish his assault?

Or not?

[-FIGJAM-]

there is always a counter to the counter...