Abir Warrior Arts

[kingoftheforest]

So beginners are taught to block, and then taught to not block? That doesn't make sense.

Of course in an ideal situation you want to strike first without being hit ( in this case it would be done while the guy is doing his Hasidic breakdance routine [oh snap you just got served!]), but this isn't always going to be the case. If you block correctly, you will be in a position to strike while the other person is commited.

Either way, no one here has ever been in a sword fight, and the subject matter is a delusional con-artist. The second he pulls out a sword and starts dancing and clacking away I'd be three counties over.

You can't have a flow drill if the firt person to swing hits the other person.

"Block" is in quotes here again. It's not so much teaching to block, I used the term for simplicities sake I guess it missed it's mark, as it is teaching the begginer specific lines to cover.

it doesn't have to be a sword fight. Most arts teach you stick first because it translates to so many othe things.

Sword, stick, staff, cane, umbrella, hell even a broom if it's handy.


I'm going to ignore all the other childish comments, since some people complain when others do it, during a mature conversation.

[Tokyo Kid]

So beginners are taught to block, and then taught to not block? That doesn't make sense.

Of course in an ideal situation you want to strike first without being hit ( in this case it would be done while the guy is doing his Hasidic breakdance routine [oh snap you just got served!]), but this isn't always going to be the case. If you block correctly, you will be in a position to strike while the other person is commited.

Either way, no one here has ever been in a sword fight, and the subject matter is a delusional con-artist. The second he pulls out a sword and starts dancing and clacking away I'd be three counties over.

[kingoftheforest]

I think you might be confusing "blocking" with "hitting the other guys stick".

Avoiding is the preferred method. Avoid and attack. Blocking should be a side effect and a part of the time occurance.

It shouldn't be something you aim to do, hitting the other guys stick or sword.


If you practice the lines properly, yes there are going to be times when sticks and or swords clash, it happens.


But you shouldn't be training to block the other persons weapon, you should be training to avoid it, while covering your lines, and attack his open spaces.



Begginers are taught to "block" because it teaches them how to properly cover the lines the other guy is attacking, and teaches at the same times the lines you want to be attacking.


Higher skill levels, blocking is frowned upon.

[Tokyo Kid]

I think you might be confusing "blocking" with "hitting the other guys stick".

[kingoftheforest]

When you fight with sticks, are you trying to hit the other guys stick?

Or are you trying to hit the other guy?

If you are aiming for his stick then you would have to count on disarming him before you could hurt him.

Doesn't fall under conservation of energy or any realistic fighting practice I've seen, other than larping.

[Da Pope]

He's doing a form. It teaches certain movements and concepts.

Sorry just one more thing. The above quote seems at odds to your earlier question about whether I would punch him if he was figure of 8ing like he was, implying he was doing an actual technique as opposed to an attribute building excercise.

The figure of 8ing (if done properly) is used by many blade welding systems I thought as as way of teaching how to control your weapon AND as techique in itself (if that makes sense). I have ceratinly used it when sparring with sticks.

[Da Pope]

Ideal world - I am superman and can avoid any strike comming in.

Real world - oh shit I really should haver blocked that!

Well thats my experience anyway....

What experience of swordsmanship do you have KOTF?

[Da Pope]

And the cost of your weapon would be the first thing on your mind when you are surrounded by other people with weapons trying to kill you, and you're holding a worthless busted piece of metal.

Err no it wouldnt. Trying not to get killed would be. If my sword prevented a strike comming in then I would do it no hesitaion or thought come to think of it

[Da Pope]

Which skool of japanese swordsmanship are you refering to when you say 'samurai'?

[kingoftheforest]

He aint trying to avoid anything with that crazy figure of 8 thing he's doing.

I dont see how you could side step that and there is only so much stepping backwards that is good for you.

How would you counter his 'technique'?

(And the cost of my weapon would be the last thing on my mind )

He's doing a form. It teaches certain movements and concepts.

You better be good with a sword and quick if you want to win. It is possible to side step or avoid his sword.


And the cost of your weapon would be the first thing on your mind when you are surrounded by other people with weapons trying to kill you, and you're holding a worthless busted piece of metal.


Do some more research and you'll find samurai especially
didn't condone sword clashing.

[Da Pope]

He aint trying to avoid anything with that crazy figure of 8 thing he's doing.

I dont see how you could side step that and there is only so much stepping backwards that is good for you.

How would you counter his 'technique'?

(And the cost of my weapon would be the last thing on my mind )

[kingoftheforest]

Been pondering this and it just dont work for me. If that guy was comming at me with his flexi-sword flayelling around like that I would most definitley clash swords with him.

How could you avoid it?

It seems it would be the safest thing to do no?

Arent swords defensive as well as offensive?

And with that in mind how long do think that flimsy weapon woudl last against annealed carbon steel?

Or how do you think that would distrupt his flow considering how little actual control he is displaying?

So of he's avoiding your sword, and your trying to hit his. And his is all flexible, you just wasted a chance to hit him by trying to strike his sword.

His "flexi-sword would just fold and pop back off your sword, and now he has an advantageous position, if he avoids your sword, and you just wasted an ass load of energy and a chance to end the fight.

You don't clash swords. Swords were and still are pretty damn expensive for good ones. Even good swords can only absorb so much impact.

What happens when your sword eventually shatters in your face while trying to block.

Then you get to eat your sword and your opponents.

You wouldn't have very much time to ponder the f*ck up, I'm sure.

[Da Pope]

The object behind good sword fighting is that you don't clash swords, you avoid the other guys and strike him.

Clashing swords is a huge no no in actual good sword fighting.

Notice I said good not TV.

Been pondering this and it just dont work for me. If that guy was comming at me with his flexi-sword flayelling around like that I would most definitley clash swords with him.

How could you avoid it?

It seems it would be the safest thing to do no?

Arent swords defensive as well as offensive?

And with that in mind how long do think that flimsy weapon woudl last against annealed carbon steel?

Or how do you think that would distrupt his flow considering how little actual control he is displaying?

[jubaji]

The dojo I go to for the Niten also does Eishin Ryu Iaido. They spend an hour on the Iaido then an hour on the Niten Ichi. although I went there specifically for the Niten stuff I am quite enjoying the Iaido.

By the way the reason I'm doing Judo is down to something you (Unky) said years ago about trying different martial arts out to see if they suit you or not. So far I have been to a few that just plain suck but have found two skools so far (the above mentioned Dojo and the Arnis skool) that have stuck. Hopefully the Judo one will, I have always liked the look of Judo.

Good way, good way. I still pop in to a practice of tae kwon do every now and again even though I hate it and suck at it. You gotta mix it up or you start to grow moss.

[Da Pope]

The dojo I go to for the Niten also does Eishin Ryu Iaido. They spend an hour on the Iaido then an hour on the Niten Ichi. although I went there specifically for the Niten stuff I am quite enjoying the Iaido.

By the way the reason I'm doing Judo is down to something you (Unky) said years ago about trying different martial arts out to see if they suit you or not. So far I have been to a few that just plain suck but have found two skools so far (the above mentioned Dojo and the Arnis skool) that have stuck. Hopefully the Judo one will, I have always liked the look of Judo.