Abir Warrior Arts

[DaleDugas]

So you "Master brewers of Jow" actually buy of the shelf eh? LOL. Priceless.

Keep writing libel.

Its rather amusing.

I make my own medicines and its a known fact. I make medicines that others use, and sell as their own. Seems you cannot grasp simple facts. and attack me again and again and again as well attack my teacher.

I am not afraid of being known, you are.

You attack me and post libelous post after libelous post. Be careful with that. You are writing pure libelous things here that are untrue, and verifiable. I would suggest that you stop while you are ahead.

Seems the truth hurts you. Rather than act like an adult you lash out like an abused child. Were you abused?

You are a sad little person.

Good luck with life. You need it.

[DaleDugas]

You are a coward.

keep sniping all you want.

Im working on my masters in acupuncture and oriental medicine.

You can say what you will. Its all libel and slander.

[TTEscrima]

actualy if you could use google you would find that these pills are made by Mayway Company which is one of the biggest Chinese Herbal medicine companies in the USA. But it seems you not only fail at google fu, you seems to be unable to man up.

Snipe all you want.

You are nothing but a coward.

So you "Master brewers of Jow" actually buy of the shelf eh? LOL. Priceless.

Hey where did your Master Brewer tag go?

Interesting you claim that here because on your page it says.

"All herbal products hand brewed By CDIA Supplies only use the best chemically untreated/Non-GMO Chinese Herbs from US Herbal wholesalers. All formula are created with CDIA Supplies GMP pledge."


Yet on the page where you sell your Bruise pills it says Manufacturer: CDIA, Shifu Dale Dugas

But now you claim they're made by Mayway Company, so which is correct? Do you hand make them or does Mayway company make them?


CDIA Supplies!, Dit Da Jow for Injuries and Iron Palm training

[DaleDugas]

actualy if you could use google you would find that these pills are made by Mayway Company which is one of the biggest Chinese Herbal medicine companies in the USA. But it seems you not only fail at google fu, you seems to be unable to man up.

Snipe all you want.

You are nothing but a coward.

Do you know who taught Dale to make those pills you recommend? Dr John Painter.

Do you know whats in them? Tell me about the Hit pills you take before fighting, I see you recommend those so I assume you take them...whats in them?

I'd refer you to the threads about Painters lineage here but they seem to have all vanished.

The Great Invigorator: Bruise Pills
Manufacturer: CDIA, Shifu Dale Dugas

MedicineShen Tong Zhu Yu Wan

This classical Chinese Herbal formula was designed to help move blood, decrease pain as well as help deal with a variety of physical issues.

The Great Invigorator/Shen Tong Zhu Yu can assist with arthritic pain that presents with symptoms of fixed aches and pains that are worse with pressure and tend to be worse during the night, and can include shoulder, arm, low back, leg, foot or hand pain; chronic headaches, irregular menses, menstrual pain and post-partum lower abdominal pain.

This formula can help mitigate problems such as: joint pain, pain in the arms and legs, osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, rheumatism, bursitis, tendonitis, rotator cuff injury, carpal tunnel syndrome, repetitive motion syndrome, traumatic injury, dysmenorrhea.

The Great Invigorator can be used for acute or chronic traumatic injury.

This formula is designed to be utilized for only a few days, usually 2-3 days maximum.

[TTEscrima]

Let me be as frank as can be.

This person is an internet troll/clown who does nothing but bad mouth me, my teacher, and hides behind the net.

You are nothing but a mouthboxing coward.

If you ever met me and said those things to my face, I would pay you money.

You most definitely would not.

You sir, are a coward, with neither the spine nor the skills to either replicate what I can do on video, nor in person.

You really have not a clue.

Anytime you want to step up, give me an address, I will bring a camera and myself and we will see if your skills can match your mouth.

cowards hide and snipe, real men are known to everyone.

I'll be at the Million Dollar challenge when you and your teacher accept the invite, so put up...or shut up.

Show us how you and your teacher move people without touching them Dale, you're such a big talker, accept the challenge hot shot...or STFU.

What a clown...you post vids of your teacher moving people without touching them then you question other peoples skills?

I see the previous posts with the info to contact JREF were removed, so here you go:

The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

[DaleDugas]

Dale Dugas IS a John Painter product as are all the formula's and pills on the page. You know the page where you recommend products to people?

Let me be as frank as can be.

The persons involved are nothing but internet trolls/clowns who have done nothing but bad mouth me, my teacher, and hide behind the net.

You both are nothing but mouthboxing cowards who hide. sad that you claim to be martial artists and teachers. Real martial artists take on whoever and show them their skills not talk about them on some forum. Seems both TTEscrima and KOTF have nothing to offer real people. Sad.

If you ever met me and said those things to my face, I would pay you money.

You most definitely would not. You would be picking yourselves off the floor wondering where why you were there in the first place.

Neither of you have the spine nor the skills to either replicate what I can do on video, nor in person. hence all you can do is bad mouth me, my teacher rather than step up like real men would do.

I like all this whining about my formulas being from my shifu.

The Dit Da Wan sold on my site are from Mayway. Which is not my teacher, nor is affiliated with my teacher in any manner.

Seems idiots rule here at this unknown martial arts forum rather than adults who can google search a product...

My products are there to help people. I do not sell anything that does not work, and have numerous people who attest to that. Again, seems the cowardly snipers are grasping at straws. again lame attempts that show their cowardice.

Anytime the two of you want to step up, give me an address, I will bring a camera and myself and we will see if your skills can match your mouths.

cowards hide and snipe, real men are known to everyone.

Funny that I post up where I live, teach and have an open door policy.

Why is it that you do not? Oh yeah, because neither of you can back up the BS you spout.

[LuohanFist]

Alas, no pony there. I do, however end up at crazy parties.
Back to my corner.

[kingoftheforest]

So no gimping?
But... I already put the leather suit on...

No offense but unless you're female and large busted, I don't wanna see you in leather anything lol.

[LuohanFist]

So no gimping?
But... I already put the leather suit on...

[kingoftheforest]

Sorry. i wasn't trying to be a dick.

(I know it's hard to tell right?)

But I just wanted you to have an opinion based on your own personal research.

It makes the conversation better in the long run.

Thanks for making the effort.


The jewish community fought many battles since the beginnings of recorded history.



I can't imagine there aren't some eye witness documents somewhere.

You have to remember also that the Israelites where nomadic and I imagine had to fend off a lot of different types of other nomadic peoples.


I have studied the Tora and I honestly don't remember anything other than the things you mentioned.


However if I'm not mistaken the Tora like the bible is a collection of works.

There are many versions of both, may have been one we haven't seen. Most warrior cultures hide things as best they can for as long as they can.

It's not very often you hear the history channel do a show on "Great Jewish Warriors".

Maybe they were really good with keeping secrets.

[mellow]

No hard feelings on my part.

[LuohanFist]

Did you research this guy past an internet forum post and one video.

Or are you making assumptions just from that small amount of info?

I know it seems like the three of us are dog piling you, but that is not our intention.

No no, point well taken.
I admit my reaction was based on a quote that was along the lines of techniques coming from old testament.

I've skimmed his site now, for a better understanding of what the guy is presenting. My fault for not doing this eariler, I should have read the site more in-depth, I was wrong.

Abir&#0174 Warrior Arts

The guy has 7th degree black belt in Kuk Sul Won, Hapkido, and a 7th degree in TukGong Musool.

Abir&#0174 Warrior Arts

Yehoshua Sofer is the official representative of the Korea Kuksool Association, The World KIDO Federation and the newly formed HanMinJok Hapkido Association approved as the governing body for Korea's traditional martial arts by the S. Korean Ministry Of Culture in Israel and on the European continent.

However, there are some eyebrow raisers, but that's just my opinion. According to his bio, he started training at the age of 3.

He has several world leaders' personal protection/security personnel under his instruction and guidance from the President of Moldova to the Prime-Minister of Israel. He often oversees high profile events from behind the scenes.

Abir&#0174 Warrior Arts

The Grandmaster has developed his system of (RSD) Tactics which has been tested in combat by elite units of the IDF and in assisting some other countries who have approached Israel for help.
RSD is a trimmed down simplified version of Abir® for elite security/military /police personnel. RSD is NOT for the public!

Still, I find this claim dubious.

Other nations that do have such accounts and documentation do not lay claim to them for the simple fact they as a nation with a definitive language or presence have long been extinct.

There is however one exception to this rule. It is the People of Israel. Our ancestors provided us with great resources and authoritative eye witness documentation to confirm our contributions to the world in a multitude of realms including martial arts. Many scholars have confirmed this.

Bits and pieces of Abir® warrior arts were preserved to a greater degree by the more exotic and distant Israelite communities. Hasidic dances of Ukrainian Jews as well as similar steps and maneuvers by their brothers in Yemen and Kurdish mountain Jews testify to a common warlike sequence and configuration with swirling circular motions of the hands, torso and legs while negotiating backwards or forwards and the mimicry of stick, spear or sword swipes. To unknowing eyes and often to the dancers themselves the Abir® elements are not perceived or acknowledged.

Much of the bulk of what was left intact was kept alive by a group of nomadic Jews who roamed the Hejaz desert. Twelve Tribes dance steps and the form and shapes of the Hebrew letters contained deadly martial applications forgotten by virtually the rest of the world's Jewry. Although kept in the shadows Abir® survived by the grace of The Almighty.

This delves into anthropology, which is out of my league. While it's still very dubious IMO (the history part to be sure,) he pretty much states he created a modern system, with influence from folk dances.

With that, I can't find an issue.

Just make sure your opinions and comments are based on actual information about a said person/subject.

The other 2 people, TTE and mellow, as well as myself, research something thoroughly before we spout off.

Thanks.

Again, point well taken.

I am not a sophist, and will admit when I am wrong.
I should have done more digging before formulating an opinion.

I will now be your gimp for a week.

[mellow]

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/c...tml#post331351

There is mention of it here, in this exherpt.
Will be back in a few hours to continue discussion.

That links back to this forum. I did try to read a little deeper and I didn't find anywhere it said the martial art came from the Torah.

He did admit, however, that Abir is a modern construction of his making based off of tribal traditions that he studied along with what he was taught from his father. I'm sure the KSW and Tukong Mu Sul played a large part in what he teaches now as well.

[TTEscrima]

No, those I have not tried.
I concede to your point.


I have not seen this video. Can you link?

Sure for the second time in the thread as a reply to you.

YouTube - Using intent in Jiulong Baguazhang

[kingoftheforest]

What crusade?
From what I read, he got secret techniques from the scriptures.
Is this information wrong? If it is, nevermind.
If it's not, I maintain my point.

Generally, however, I do have an issue with bullshit MA.

Did you research this guy past an internet forum post and one video.

Or are you making assumptions just from that small amount of info?

I know it seems like the three of us are dog piling you, but that is not our intention.

Just make sure your opinions and comments are based on actual information about a said person/subject.

The other 2 people, TTE and mellow, as well as myself, research something thoroughly before we spout off.

Thanks.