Ngo Cho Kun

[yentao]

Re: Ngo Cho Kun in Toronto ?

Originally posted by Black Grass
Any of you guys know of Ngo Cho Kun Tao in Toronto ?

I was introdiced to it at Topher when I was training there back in 97. I'm interested in getting back into it.


Vince
aka Black Grass

No got no idea is it okay if you can tell somethings about it pls?

Thanks,

Yentao AKA Batang Pogi

[Harimau]

Ah, okay. I'll mention that to my colleague.

Regards,
Harimau

[yentao]

Why are you studying under Master Chai's lineage?

[Harimau]

Hi Yentao,

As mentioned previously, I don't do NKC myself (I am a pesilat). My work colleague studied both NKC and wu chu under Master Chee. Interestingly, he regards Master Chee as having been the former head of system worldwide until Master Chee passed away. I don't think that he has bothered to do much research about the NKC schools outside Malaysia .

Is Master Chee's lineage a different lineage from the schools you mentioned? According to my colleague, Master Chee was a direct disciple of the grandmaster in China, and escaped to Malaya during WWII.

Harimau

[yentao]

Well VERY DIFFERENT! Especially from the history. Master Chai's histories about Ngo Cho Kun is different among others. Actually only his lineage has this history. That the founder of the form is Bak Feng.

The indonesian, singaporean, taiwan, and philippines share the same lineage. The Chua Giok Beng lineage. They share the same history about who is the founder of Ngo Cho Kun. That the founder was Chua Giok Beng.

To explain about why they are the same.

Check this site for info http://www.hokkian-siauwlim.com/anc.html

Try searching about Chua Giok Beng as well.

[yentao]

Well i think master Chee was so recognized was because he was the first to reopen to the world. As a lot of practitioners keep only the art in secrecy and slowly showing up.

[Harimau]

Cheers, Yentao. I've just gone to the site (never seen so many Hokkien names in one place before ) It's interesting to note that the name Bak Feng doesn't appear anywhere. Will have to grill my colleague about that one!

Regards,
Harimau

[yentao]

Thanks for your trust

[yentao]

Sorry guys I have to delete some posts because I don't want others using it for other forums and websites thank you.

[Declan]

Master Chee Kim Thong

Hi, Harimau.

With reference to your post quoted below, your colleague was not quite right. While the late Master Chee was head of a school of Wuzuquan (AKA Ngo Cho or Wu Chu) with international branches in Malaysia, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and the USA, he was not the head of <i>all</i> schools of Wuzuquan. There are several other schools of Wuzuqan which do not come under the Chee Kim Thong banner as they come from different, but related, lineages. You could say that those schools are distant cousins to Master Chee's school.

Master Chee was born in 1920 in Putian, Fujian Province, China. He studied Wuzuquan under Master Lin Xian (1859 - 1964). Master Lin was not <i>the</i> Wuzuquan Master in China, but <u>a</u> Wuzuquan Master in China. Master Lin in turn learned this art from his grandfather, Jiu Yi Gong (1806 - 1912). Master Jiu had learned the art at the Fujian Shaolin Temple.

Master Chee did indeed escape to Malaysia during WWII, having fought the Japanese in China during the Sino-Japanese war.

At the time of his death in 2001, Master Chee was regarded as the world's leading technical authority on Wuzuquan by the International Nan Shaolin Wuzuquan Union (a union of several different schools of Wuzuquan). However, this did not make him the head of <i>all</i> Wuzuquan schools.

Regards,

Declan

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Harimau

As mentioned previously, I don't do NKC myself (I am a pesilat). My work colleague studied both NKC and wu chu under Master Chee. Interestingly, he regards Master Chee as having been the former head of system worldwide until Master Chee passed away. I don't think that he has bothered to do much research about the NKC schools outside Malaysia .

Is Master Chee's lineage a different lineage from the schools you mentioned? According to my colleague, Master Chee was a direct disciple of the grandmaster in China, and escaped to Malaya during WWII.
all

[Declan]

Master Chee Kim Thong

Hi, Harimau.

With reference to your post quoted below, your colleague was not quite right. While the late Master Chee was head of a school of Wuzuquan (AKA Ngo Cho or Wu Chu) with international branches in Malaysia, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and the USA, he was not the head of <i>all</i> schools of Wuzuquan. There are several other schools of Wuzuqan which do not come under the Chee Kim Thong banner as they come from different, but related, lineages. You could say that those schools are distant cousins to Master Chee's school.

Master Chee was born in 1920 in Putian, Fujian Province, China. He studied Wuzuquan under Master Lin Xian (1859 - 1964). Master Lin was not <i>the</i> Wuzuquan Master in China, but <u>a</u> Wuzuquan Master in China. Master Lin in turn learned this art from his grandfather, Jiu Yi Gong (1806 - 1912). Master Jiu had learned the art at the Fujian Shaolin Temple.

Master Chee did indeed escape to Malaysia during WWII, having fought the Japanese in China during the Sino-Japanese war.

At the time of his death in 2001, Master Chee was regarded as the world's leading technical authority on Wuzuquan by the International Nan Shaolin Wuzuquan Union (a union of several different schools of Wuzuquan). However, this did not make him the head of <i>all</i> Wuzuquan schools.

Regards,

Declan

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Harimau

As mentioned previously, I don't do NKC myself (I am a pesilat). My work colleague studied both NKC and wu chu under Master Chee. Interestingly, he regards Master Chee as having been the former head of system worldwide until Master Chee passed away. I don't think that he has bothered to do much research about the NKC schools outside Malaysia .

Is Master Chee's lineage a different lineage from the schools you mentioned? According to my colleague, Master Chee was a direct disciple of the grandmaster in China, and escaped to Malaya during WWII.
all

[Harimau]

Hi Declan,

Many thanks for that detailed info. Your post and Yentao's have certainly clarified things.

My colleague has a couple of interesting stories about Master Chee in Malaya, which you might already know. The first is that when he arrived during WWII, he joined the British-led Force 136, and was involved in "rearguard" actions during the retreat to Singapore. He was captured by the Japanese in Singapore and taken to a beach to be gunned down with a few hundred other Chinese. He survived by pretending to be hit when the person next to him was shot, and holding his breath underwater for as long as he could. Apparently, his kung fu training really helped here.

The second story is that after the war, he was discovered by the local press living in Dungun, Malaysia after he successfully defended a bus conductor against a score of assailants armed with sticks. He managed this apparently by making his stand in the door of the bus so that only one person could approach him at a time.

[yentao]

I see... So Declan are you student of Chee's lineage? I'm from Chua Giok Beng's lineage and I got a lot of things talk about if you like.

[Declan]

Hi, Yentao.

We have already been communicating. You contacted me via my website... www.wuzuquan.uklinux.net/shrewsbury/

Cheers,

Declan

[Declan]

Master Chee Kim Thong

Harimau:

I have heard those stories and many others about Master Chee's fighting prowess and also about his healing skills.

However, I don't like to repeat those stories outside of our school as I did not witness the events myself (even though I trust those who did witness them).

What I can say from my own experiences of meeting with and training under Master Chee that he truly embodied the Chinese saying: "In movement be as soft as cotton, on impact be as hard as steel."

When I last met him he was 80 years of age but as solid as a rock in his stance. Trying to get to grips with him was like trying to catch smoke, yet he was incredibly powerful. He was able to release tremendous force with just a tiny gesture. He was also a very kind and gentle man. It was a privilege to have known him.

Regards,

Declan