Chin-na

[Thai Bri]

Your school sucks, your art sucks and you suck.

Fond regards!

[chris davis 200]

LOL Bri!

tell him how ya feel why not!

[grubbogoppoly]

sigh. . Just wanted to see how many faces you could put on. . Hmm. .I think it may be two per sentence or not??

[Great Sage]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
Your school sucks, your art sucks and you suck.

Fond regards!

LOL... You gotta love this guy, even when he's putting you down.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Your school sucks, your art sucks and you suck.

Is it just me or does that sound gay?

[Thai Bri]

The word "suck" is probably doing it for you.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Oy, you have no idea.

A week of slimfast is driving me insane!

[Thai Bri]

Imagine. You could be eating a lovely curry now. Or a biiiiig pie. Or thise rather unpleasant meat loaf things you philistine yank types seem to like.

And then you could be guzzling down some chocolate, just before you had a beer. Or three. Or eight.

This weight loss isn't worth it! You won't keep it off! Whats the point of not enjoying life? You train don't you? You're fit and healthy.

Go on and tuck in. You'll feel better for it. Go on.

[bvermillion]

trapping sucks

All trapping arts suck. If they are close enough for you to trap then strike. Striking is a lot more effective. Besides that you cant still strike from just about any submission move.

[jubaji]

Re: trapping sucks

Originally posted by bvermillion
All trapping arts suck. If they are close enough for you to trap then strike. Striking is a lot more effective. Besides that you cant still strike from just about any submission move.

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[Kosh]

Re: trapping sucks

Originally posted by bvermillion
All trapping arts suck. If they are close enough for you to trap then strike. Striking is a lot more effective. Besides that you cant still strike from just about any submission move.

Im not sure what you mean by a trap, but if its locks and stuff...youre wrong.

When you do a joint lock type move, you dont just jump into it; youd get smacked. You distract them first, soften them up. If someone is holding your wrist or throat or whatever, if you hit them in the ribs they will losen up long enough to get a lock.

And as for being able to hit from a submission...you must be doing it wrong. Plus hitting someone isnt the first thing on your mind when you have a shattered or torn wrist.

[Uchiha_Anbu]

I've got a Chin Na book called Analysis of Shaolin Chin by proffesor Yang Jwing-Ming. It shows alot of dislocation techniques and some "meridian strikes". Some breaking moves are shown and alot of tendon ripping techniques as well. I've read in other books that the police in some parts of china use this to train there men. From every book I've read on the subject, they say that it is a set of techniques that complent other styles. It's not a style itself. Thats to bad because I think that fact might make it difficult to find schools outside of china. Anyways, Ive never seen the meridian/blood flow stoppage/energy line blockage/ attacks in action. And logic would dictate that it would be a dangerous thing to practice unless you were both skillfull an knowledgable of it. I have seen one person use it, Lucy Lawless uses it to great effect against brigands and monsters an the like. On another note has anyone seen the Fist of the North Star anime. Yea, yea I know its a cartoon, but it would be sick to know how to make someones blood pressure rise to the point of explosion.

[kengar]

I as well am in the middle of reading the 'Analysis..' and Pro Yang recognizes the importance of strikes. I am enjoying the book and believe that Chin Na has an effective use in your MA/SD training, though everyhting has its place and in a self defense situation striking should come first.

[choylifutrocks]

Re: Re: Standing

Originally posted by Great Sage


Declan,

Unfortunately, I don’t believe you have sufficient knowledge of grappling to theorize about it. You speak of developing postures, stance and waist... These are all static postures that will only get you tackled to the ground.

The KEY to avoid being taken down is none of the above. You need excellent footwork (even boxers can’t help but be taken down) and great sprawling technique.



I beg to differ. You need mobility.

Agreed.

If such a scenario were true, I would greatly emphasize it. By your assumation, kung-fu people NEVER trade blows with people who don’t go down. So what happens when the person doesn’t go down? And kung-fu people aren’t known for their punching power either. ...

Completely ignorant. Define Kung Fu, there are hundreds of styles. If you are so certain Kung Fu people aren't well known for their punchine power, come into my school and ask a low ranking 13 yr. old to punch you. We actually hit things other than air. I will agree however, that not all Kung Fu styles or school can produce students like that. A lot of styles are crap.

I tend to advocate working towards your individual strengths... Not everyone hits like Mike Tyson, nor does everyone grapple like Rickson Gracie. And while it is true, that you should develop punching power if you lack it, you should be doing more to hone your best strengths.

Agree 100%

I also tend to avoid throwing techniques... I don’t care what anyone says, there’s no truth in a 100 lb person throwing a 300 lb person. Your best bet is to keep things simple and towards your strength.

Well, in TKD, I'm sure they don't have many effective throws, but in other arts, wrestling, etc. there are very effective throws. A 300 lb person and a 100lb. person is a very poor example.

Ok, I have one request. Please refer to which style of Kung-Fu you refer to when you make generalized claims. I don't think anyone on earth can say that Choy Li Fut practitioners have weak punches. I don't think anyone who knows anything about Wing Chun would criticize their low stances, rooting. (I'm not backing Wing Chun, it's an example)

As far as Kung Fu relying solely on rooting, that's BS. Once again, please refer to the style you are critiquing. In my school we will not stay rooted, we hold mobility in high regard, but we do emphasize strong stances, they increase power. Common Sense. Grapling is also part of our style, however, we do have limited grappling capabilities and we are EMPHASIZED to stay on our feet. But we also understand that the grappler could "eat up" stupid mistakes made by striking artists. We are even urged to know how to grapple.

Traditionally, I would urge people not to use the word TRADITIONALLY when referring to a very diverse people, because it is stupid to assume that a nation filled with 2 billion people has the same traditions throughout.

[koto_ryu]

I think Chin Na is awesome stuff, and if I could find a good teacher nearby I would be there in a heartbeat As it is I have numerous books on it and some of my dojo buddies and I will get together and practice the techniques and see what we can learn. Some of them have even helped me in my college anatomy classes, and the meridian lines are good knowledge as I plan on going on to NYCC for acupuncture and Oriental medicine after I finish pre-med here in PA. All in all, it's an effective art in my opinion, and well worth researching into.