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  • #16
    Okay, I admit I'm a little surprised by some of the answers so far.

    I think the question is a little bit like asking, "what does a trained boxer use, a left hook or a right cross?" Depends on the fighter and his training, right? For De La Hoya, it's a left hook to the head. For Chavez, a left hook to the body. For Jones, a straight right. Whittaker mastered 'em all. Only someone who doesn't understand the game would say one punch is definitively better than another.

    I feel the grip question is exactly the same. You can find skilled trained fighters from all different styles -- hell, even within a single style -- who work better with one particular grip or another. For me personally, I'm best in a pakal grip (reverse grip, edge in). I've been sparring a guy in class who I beat pretty easily. Then he switched to forward grip, and all of a sudden I had trouble with him. Forward works for him, pakal works for me. In fact, in the list of what works for me: pakal works best overall and works well in any situation, reverse grip edge-out is useless, classic forward grip (edge down) works pretty good in largo, forward grip edge up works best in grappling range (not for sparring, for scenario-based defensive work and cutting my way out of a situation).

    One thing i can say definitively is that the classic forward grip works best for someone who isn't trained -- it's very intuitive and natural. Any other grip, and you'll tend to just thrash around or really show your attacks. Once you're trained in their proper use, the other grips can have advantages, depending on you as a fighter and what system you train in. I think the classic forward grip is extremely important to train in, because in a defensive situation you might only have a moment to draw your knife, and forward grip is probably what you'll draw into (particularly if you're carrying a folder), so you better be able to rock'n'roll with that grip, unless you're under the fantasy that under the stress of mortal combat you'll have the fine motor control to twirl your knife into a different grip. Any other grip you learn is gravy.


    Joe

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    • #17
      grip

      The grip can be in fluid or non fluid switches. A switch can alter the dynamics of an attack if your weapon is somehow isolated by the opponent and you need to free your arm or blade so it doesn't get smothered or turned against you. A switch can be so subtle that it looks like the same exact grip with one or two modifications. It doesn't have to be a dynamic flashy switch. Most knife scenarios you will run can be altered by someone pulling a switch in the middle of a grappling situation.

      --Rafael--
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      • #18
        The best grip is the one your opponent doesn't see when it hits him (or her)

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        • #19
          well, with the underhand grip (knife tip pointing down/back) you have significantly fewer options available to you for attack.
          with the overhand grip (knife tip pointing up/forward) you have more options, which is what I prefer.
          another reason this is prefered is that it allows more stabbing opportunities, opposed to slashing, which can be deadly, but not AS deadly. and when you are fighting with a knife, you are in a life and death situation. Having been in one before (not knife realted) I can tell you that is not fun, and you want it to be over ASAP. for that reason, lethality is the key.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by osopardo
            The knife should be held between thumb, forefinger and middle finger of the right hand, sharp edge facing down towards the plate. Try to keep the "sawing" motion as small and discreet as possible.

            When the meat is cut, put the knife down to the right of the plate and tranfer the fork to your right hand.

            Do not use the knife to push food onto the fork.
            What a dick, this guy is talking about how to hold a knife and your going on about table manners? funny guy.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by rayfloro
              The best grip is the one your opponent doesn't see when it hits him (or her)
              No the best grip is one on a bat your opponent doesn't see coming at his skull.

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              • #22
                Why would you need to change grips during a "fight" and when would you find this opportunity under the stress of a mad rushing attacker?
                Steve
                During a feint-change of hands, to trap my opponent's hand or to cut him if he catches/traps/me....
                but you have to be fast, train to change quickly your grips, change hands...
                My GM keeps on doing it to me when we spare and it works..... when we fight with two knives we sometimes use different grips for each of the two knives.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by CPK-Mantis
                  ...this guy is talking about how to hold a knife and your going on about table manners? funny guy.
                  What's your point?

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                  • #24
                    he thinks your funny. From my training so far I like the ice pick grip (down and out). I find it easier to throw punches with the knife wielding hand and I prefer to slash rather than to stab although I still have that option its just that I have a shorter reach than with a regular grip. I can work the slashes in with my punches which is cool because its like if I miss with a cross I could catch him with the edge or my elbow.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CPK-Mantis
                      What a dick...

                      Uhmm, Thank you! It is a rather handsome thing, isn't it?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by adacas
                        he thinks your funny.
                        You mean, let me understand this ... cuz I ... maybe its me, maybe I'm a little f*d up maybe. I'm funny how, I mean funny, like I'm a clown? I amuse you. I make you laugh? I'm here to f*n' amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
                        I know? No, no I don't know. You said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the f* am I funny? What the f* is so funny about me? Tell me. Tell me what's funny?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by osopardo
                          You mean, let me understand this ... cuz I ... maybe its me, maybe I'm a little f*d up maybe. I'm funny how, I mean funny, like I'm a clown? I amuse you. I make you laugh? I'm here to f*n' amuse you? Whattya you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?
                          I know? No, no I don't know. You said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the f* am I funny? What the f* is so funny about me? Tell me. Tell me what's funny?
                          Fu*k u are a loser, u dont amuse sh{t. i was being sarcastic, do u know what sarcasm is? haha look im doing it again. who r u trying to impress in this forum? 'the ol brown bear' what a fu*kwit

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by CPK-Mantis
                            ...who r u trying to impress in this forum?

                            Well, I've been trying to impress you specifically. I was seeking your attention and approval. I somehow thought you'd find my quoting "Goodfellas" amusing. That's all I'm really trying to do, amuse you and hope that you would like me. I thought there was a glimmer of hope when you complimented me on my genitals. I mean, I don't usually swing that way, but I was flattered; although I had no idea how you had come to form such an opinion. Nevertheless, I had hoped we could be friends, even though I really don't swing that way, if you catch my meaning...

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                            • #29
                              well, well, well. It looks like love blossoms in the most unexpected places.
                              one time loved blossomed in the back of my car, but that's another story.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JKD-Escrima
                                ...one time loved blossomed in the back of my car...
                                Coulda been a weed...

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