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Mike, I'm pretty sure you train in this are. What are your thoughts on working silat with the more traditional MT or RG clinch?
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LOL ... funny you should ask :-) This brings back a fond (and painful) memory.Originally posted by Chad W. Getz
Mike, I'm pretty sure you train in this are. What are your thoughts on working silat with the more traditional MT or RG clinch?
I went down to South Carolina with my instructor and some other guys to train with Pak Victor de Thouars (he now lives in California). I was sacked out on Pak Vic's living room floor. At about 5 AM Pak Vic wakes me up and says, "Come, Mr. Mike, put me in a clinch and deliver knees."
Even in my sleepy-bleary state, I knew I was in for some pain ... but I, of course, said, "Yes sir." I clinched him and went for a knee ... and promptly went rolling across his living room floor with an extremely uncomfortable ouchie (read as "character builder") on my thigh :-)
Anyway, what Pak Vic did was to shoot just outside of my rising knee (raking his forearm along the outside of my thigh), scoop and step. About 2 weeks after this, I pulled the same thing on a MT friend of mine while we were sparring. He was amazed.
If you're unfamiliar with Pak Vic, he's an instructor of Silat Serak and the founder of Tongkat Silat.
I'm sure there are other methods, but this is the first one that comes to mind that I've learned from Silat :-)
Now, as far as a Silat use of the clinch (as opposed to a counter), one of the methods I love is to get the clinch from a diagonal angle, slam a headbutt, start a sleeper (between the clinching forearm and my head on opposite sides of his head), step through into a "bizet luar" or outside rear sweep while maintaining the sleeper. As he falls, you let him slide out of the sleeper and you end up hanging him from the clinch structure. Granted, this "clinch" is slightly more open than the traditional MT clinch ... but it's a nice technique (hopefully I described it well enough for you to visualize).
Regards, Mike
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Gracias. I was working out with a guy last night, some kung fu and aikido experience, 17 year old. Absolutely no fighting or sparring experience. He started asking me about how do you make this technique work, and that technique work, so I started to show him some of it from the clinch. I think the clinch is just a flower bed of reference points.Comment
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Absolutely. I've also seen several grappling techniques from the clinch ... but I'm not much of a grappler so don't even want to try to go into detail.Originally posted by Chad W. Getz
Gracias. I was working out with a guy last night, some kung fu and aikido experience, 17 year old. Absolutely no fighting or sparring experience. He started asking me about how do you make this technique work, and that technique work, so I started to show him some of it from the clinch. I think the clinch is just a flower bed of reference points.
Another place that is a great "technique generator" (as my instructor refers to it) is Hubad Lubad. Joint locks, strikes, sweeps, takedowns, traps, disarms are all available from the various hubad structures. It's a lot of fun to find them. Once you find them you can try to get them from the flow (i.e.: get a good pace going in the hubad flow, then try to get a technique). It takes hubad a baby step closer to realistic fighting energy because your partner is reflexively going to try to continue the flow drill and not let you get the technique ... or he'll try to counter and you end up sparring ... either way is good and opens doors for other material :-) The same can be done with sumbrada patterns (or any flow drill). Eventually these games lead to freestyle sparring. Pulling the techniques off out of a flow drill, though, is a good transitional step between static flow drills and freestyle sparring.
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hello chad,
i love the MT clinch. it has worked for me several times on the street in the past. most people have no idea what to do when you tie them up and start moving them and kneeing them. but sikal is right there are alot of counters to this just like any other tech. MT fighters train these alot, or get kneed. i know fighters who have one stratagy in the ring, kick and punch until i can knee, then knee him until he's done. like i said it's worked real well for me in the past.
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