Dumog/Pangamut and Muay Boran/Chao Cherk

[PugilistBlade]

I'm thinking that this question will probably be best answered by William (PTK-Pitbull) who is practicing both of these arts, but others may also have some insight on the subject. Basically I want to know the similarities and differences of dumpag (dumog/pangamut) and the thai empty hand arts of muay boran/chao cherk (not sure if that is spelled right). Information I'm seeking is in relation to history, techniques, and practicality of the arts. I have looked into the issue the best I could but really there isn't much on them in relation to each other. I have been researching different arts since my college days at CMU and my interest in this topic has been renewed due to me currently learning PTK and conversations with a few of my friends who are into muay thai and boxing. Links to other posts or sites that have already covered the issue are more than welcome, as is any of your current comments that are informative as well.

thanks in advance and i look forward to reading...

[haumana2000]

I thiink I posted this in the thaiboxing forum, but Vinceent Giordano is one of the best sources of information on this subject he may be in here checking in. He is a wealth of info on the SE Asian arts, particularly the bareknuckle boxing arts of the areas in question. He has also trained in the PI, so he would probably know.

[krys]

You have to know that there are many very different grapling arts in the Phillipines as different tribes would probably have different fighting systems..... some may/may not have similarities with Thai styles.....

This is from the post I wrote on the matsigalog tribe of Mindanao:

The Matigsalog grappling art is called panahungoy. Since this is a
combative grappling art and not a sport or civil defensive art,
techniques of lock-and-control are not utilized. Rather, since the art
must be and is used for real-life combat, its techniques favor immediate
limb breaking maneuvers. Indeed, when the throat is grabbed, the
Matigsalog warrior does not merely attempt to cut-off his opponent's air
flow, but tries to pull out his esophagus to quickly end the encounter.
Headlocks are executed in much the same manner, with the combatant
attempting not to choke his opponent as much as to pull his head apart
from his body.

[haumana2000]

The submission dungeon brotherhood in the PI perpetuates and propagates both bultong wrestling, and dumog, I will post the question to them as well. remember that as far as boxing goes, much of suntukan (most people there do not know the term panantukan) is whatever happens. I think Krishna Godhania also posted a great article in the dog brothers forum regarding the traditional filipino boxing.

[William]

PugilistBlade, Please check your e-mail. I sent you contact info for VG and Ajarn Wilson. They can answer historical questions and compare differing old styles better than myself. I also included a breif explanation and example.



William