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[The_student]

As I have get it there are mainly 3 different areas in the Philippins,
Lunzon in the north, Visayas islands in the center and the Mindanao in the south.

Would someone tell me what the distingues these areas in the terms of different styles? Were to go when training knife, were to go go when learning dumog, stick etc..

Are there a large different in styles by he regions?

Regards

[Serrada]

This is maybe not the answer your looking for but you find Arnis, Kali, escrima dumug, knife fighting in all the areas you mentioned. Great Dumug warriors and wrestlers were often found in the mountains and not willing to teach. They are the dark Indians of the Filipinas and often have wrestling matches among themselves. Besides dumug the best practioners of the FMA are now in the United States.

[kruzada]

"Besides dumug the best practioners of the FMA are now in the United States"

I don't want to start a flame war. But in posting such a bold statement, you are inviting one.

I had heard that some FMA practitioners here (in the U.S.) believed that the best Masters and Grandmasters had migrated to the U.S., and this isn't about whose style is better, but this rumor is an obvious a falsehood.

From my experience, the FMA in the Philippines is of the highest standard. To make an educated comparison you would have to experience (not just sample) both in depth.

I don't think that the Masters here in the U.S. would substantiate your claim that the FMA in the P.I. is inferior to what is practiced abroad. Such a statement would be impossible to prove given that there are probably hundreds of styles/systems of FMA that are not openly taught to the public. And those that are more notable in the P.I., abroad, may not be representative of what you would find in any number of various regions of the Philippines.

We should all recognize the Philippines as the source of ALL the knowledge (of the FMA) that we have inherited, and respect the Masters and Grandmasters that are actively teaching the arts back home in the manner that it was meant to be taught, combatively and privately.

-Rich Acosta

[shootodog]

As I have get it there are mainly 3 different areas in the Philippins,
Lunzon in the north, Visayas islands in the center and the Mindanao in the south.

Would someone tell me what the distingues these areas in the terms of different styles? Were to go when training knife, were to go go when learning dumog, stick etc..

Are there a large different in styles by he regions?

Regards

hi there.

there are practically hundreds of styles and systems on the islands. each have some distinct characteristics yet may have commonality between them. in one province (in luzon) alone (ex. the province of laguna) there are several different systems of arnis, escrima, and kali (possibly nearly a hundred). within these systems, there are several styles used in the system. the cebu and negros islands in the visayas alone have countless styles and systems.

confusing? maybe. but the one thing that fma is known for is being progressive and practical. it's evolution may see it further branching out into a myriad of systems and styles (per region, per island, maybe even per town).

[shootodog]

This is maybe not the answer your looking for but you find Arnis, Kali, escrima dumug, knife fighting in all the areas you mentioned. Great Dumug warriors and wrestlers were often found in the mountains and not willing to teach. They are the dark Indians of the Filipinas and often have wrestling matches among themselves. Besides dumug the best practioners of the FMA are now in the United States.

this is not a fact. it is an opinion.

the dark indians as you call them, are you refering to the ones on mindoro island? or maybe the cordillera mountain tribes (which call their system boltong, which i have exposure to)? or maybe some of the mindanao tribes?

what basis is there to say that the dumogeros are no longer here on the islands? are you refering to gm dan inosanto or the jkd people? for as long as there are filipinos willing to learn what our forefathers knew, there will be boltong, there will be dumog. and the bloody challenges that go along with it.

[Serrada]

No association with gm dan inosanto or the jkd people, but been to several of his seminars. I’m obviously a Serrada practioner. So, of course I’m going to stand by my primary art. There is not much Serrada in the Philippians. I have trained under several different FMA teachers and they have all given me something.

I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I have not seen any dumug here in the states use dumug as I have from video from the Philippians. Dumog similar to straight BJJ. Over the years I have picked-up and made a good arsenal of various ground techniques from my FMA teachers, but non as a complete art. Of course I have not seen everyone here nor everyone there. I’m very interested to hear of people in the US that do full blown dumug/ ground fighting. Any sites you can suggest?

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As I have get it there are mainly 3 different areas in the Philippins,
Lunzon in the north, Visayas islands in the center and the Mindanao in the south.

Would someone tell me what the distingues these areas in the terms of different styles? Were to go when training knife, were to go go when learning dumog, stick etc..

Are there a large different in styles by he regions?

Regards

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[shootodog]

No association with gm dan inosanto or the jkd people, but been to several of his seminars. I’m obviously a Serrada practioner. So, of course I’m going to stand by my primary art. There is not much Serrada in the Philippians. I have trained under several different FMA teachers and they have all given me something.

there are serrada systems here in the philippines. found mostly in the visayas. such systems as dikiti tirsia serada.

I don’t mean to offend anyone, but I have not seen any dumug here in the states use dumug as I have from video from the Philippians. Dumog similar to straight BJJ. Over the years I have picked-up and made a good arsenal of various ground techniques from my FMA teachers, but non as a complete art. Of course I have not seen everyone here nor everyone there. I’m very interested to hear of people in the US that do full blown dumug/ ground fighting. Any sites you can suggest?

i suggest you you look for gt leo gaje, jr (pikiti tirsia kali), dumog has some similarities of bjj without rules and moral norms.

or better yet, come here to the philippines...

[shootodog]

"Besides dumug the best practioners of the FMA are now in the United States"

I don't want to start a flame war. But in posting such a bold statement, you are inviting one.

I had heard that some FMA practitioners here (in the U.S.) believed that the best Masters and Grandmasters had migrated to the U.S., and this isn't about whose style is better, but this rumor is an obvious a falsehood.

From my experience, the FMA in the Philippines is of the highest standard. To make an educated comparison you would have to experience (not just sample) both in depth.

I don't think that the Masters here in the U.S. would substantiate your claim that the FMA in the P.I. is inferior to what is practiced abroad. Such a statement would be impossible to prove given that there are probably hundreds of styles/systems of FMA that are not openly taught to the public. And those that are more notable in the P.I., abroad, may not be representative of what you would find in any number of various regions of the Philippines.

We should all recognize the Philippines as the source of ALL the knowledge (of the FMA) that we have inherited, and respect the Masters and Grandmasters that are actively teaching the arts back home in the manner that it was meant to be taught, combatively and privately.

-Rich Acosta

thank you so much for posting this.

[squidd]

As I have get it there are mainly 3 different areas in the Philippins,
Lunzon in the north, Visayas islands in the center and the Mindanao in the south.

Would someone tell me what the distingues these areas in the terms of different styles? Were to go when training knife, were to go go when learning dumog, stick etc..

Are there a large different in styles by he regions?

Regards

unfortunately, i do not have a straight answer to your questions but i hope this helps. first off, take note that the three island groups that comprise the philippines are geographically diverse.

luzon is like really one big island block with only a spattering of surrounding islands. up in the norther part of luzon it is extremely dry mountainous, and it progressively gets flatter as you go down to southern luzon which is mostly fertile plains.

the visayas is composed of many smaller islands, too many to count. the terrain varies from fertile plains, to plateaus, to mountanous areas. the region boasts of many potentially world class whitewater rivers.

the mindanao region is also a big island block and includes quite a number of islands down south. the terrain is generally flat and the soil is fertile. there are many jungles and several mountainous areas as well.

anyway, the reason i'm wasting time with this legnthy description is because i think it is very hard to say what style is prorietary to what area. for example just in metro manila, (the philippine capital) there are two boxing gyms -- one in makati, one in paranaque (considered the suburbs) which are about 15 - 20 kilometers apart. if you train in both gyms you will realize that the boxwers server up the focus mitts in a different way. i will not go into much detail but i guess this makes a case for how a discipline may have the same name yet be practiced differently from one place to another.

another point of the narrative is to show how fragmented the philippines is. some say that the filipinos acquired great martial arts skills because they had to fight off our spanish conquerors, others say that the fragmented-ness of the islands divided the people thus forcing them to be perpetually at war.

at any rate, i would think that there is some unifying logic as to what kinds of martial arts evolve from the highlands and the lowlands, and the midlands... is there? so if someone knows this pattern then that person can guess with reasonable accuracy what kinds of martial arts would be prevalent in the area. as for me, i really can't tell.

[Serrada]

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Thank you. Good site. I'm going to start a new thread.

[shootodog]

unfortunately, i do not have a straight answer to your questions but i hope this helps. first off, take note that the three island groups that comprise the philippines are geographically diverse.

luzon is like really one big island block with only a spattering of surrounding islands. up in the norther part of luzon it is extremely dry mountainous, and it progressively gets flatter as you go down to southern luzon which is mostly fertile plains.

the visayas is composed of many smaller islands, too many to count. the terrain varies from fertile plains, to plateaus, to mountanous areas. the region boasts of many potentially world class whitewater rivers.

the mindanao region is also a big island block and includes quite a number of islands down south. the terrain is generally flat and the soil is fertile. there are many jungles and several mountainous areas as well.

anyway, the reason i'm wasting time with this legnthy description is because i think it is very hard to say what style is prorietary to what area. for example just in metro manila, (the philippine capital) there are two boxing gyms -- one in makati, one in paranaque (considered the suburbs) which are about 15 - 20 kilometers apart. if you train in both gyms you will realize that the boxwers server up the focus mitts in a different way. i will not go into much detail but i guess this makes a case for how a discipline may have the same name yet be practiced differently from one place to another.

another point of the narrative is to show how fragmented the philippines is. some say that the filipinos acquired great martial arts skills because they had to fight off our spanish conquerors, others say that the fragmented-ness of the islands divided the people thus forcing them to be perpetually at war.

at any rate, i would think that there is some unifying logic as to what kinds of martial arts evolve from the highlands and the lowlands, and the midlands... is there? so if someone knows this pattern then that person can guess with reasonable accuracy what kinds of martial arts would be prevalent in the area. as for me, i really can't tell.

haaay! you bet! and it's a whole lot worse politically!