Kicking during fullcontact stickfighting

[Keeper]

This is preferably for those who have experience in full contact stick and knife fighting.
I'm training up for my next killshot tourney (kinda similar to dog brothers if you don't know it) and I wanna work on using stomp kicks during those stand-up stick clinches. Example: my stick is tied up with his and I raise my leg between us and use a hard thrusting front kick to either break the gap up or at the least cause some pain.

I think it will work, but i'm just curious if anybody else trains this or has actually used it in sparring?

It works all the time in The Last Samurai

Keeper

[chris84ae]

tied up stick...

why not do some sparring with someone and find out

Everything works all the time in the movies

[Tom Yum]

Low snap kicks aimed at the knee work.

If you're fighting for real or doing some intense sparring, it will take two or three well placed stomp or side kicks aimed at the knee (if it is somewhat bent, like most fighting stances) for the pain to set in because of all the adrenaline.

If the guys leg is straight, one could do it.

[MAMike]

Kicking during sticksparring isn't easy. There're two or three possible kicks while sparring with sticks. One of them is a left low kick simultanous with your backhand strike. Another one is the straight front kick when you block a strike with your roof block and lastly there's a knee or a flying knee after you created an opening. That's my experience from a lot of sticksparring with different trainingpartners.

regards, mike

[danjuandesiga]

Stick-n-kick

Here's some video showing a spin-kick to the mask followed up by a compound attack led-in with a low-line kneeshot.

http://media.putfile.com/DAMAGInc4-3-2005Dblstick-n-spinkick2head

Pretty cool huh....

Daniel Arola
Fayetteville, NC

[Crafty Dog]

Woof All:

The Thai weaponry military system of Krabi Krabong (forerunner to the ring sport of Muay Thai) has taken this to a very high level and in Dog Brothers Martial Arts we have blended KK into our Kali into a sub-system we call "Los Triques" (The Three Ks).

We are seeing this training show up in our fights with good success. Those interested should check out our DVDs "Krabi Krabong" featuring Ajarn Salty Dog; "Los Triques" featuring yours truly; and "Crossbreeding Kali and Krabi Krabong" featuring Guro Lonely Dog in addition to myself.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

[The O]

I think kicking should be done at close range since a lot of guys like to sidestep and uppercut the stick to the back of the leg.

[Anti]

I have Stick sparred, and personally think it depends on the fighter. Generally, I consider kicking below the knees(both quickly), and twisting the stick to back out of a tie up. But, if they are good, they can get around this, and either stay 'tied', or put the fight into his advantage. So, if one tries a kick to you, attempt moving back your legs, and curl kicking the back of his planted leg(if one) to take his balance.
-This works for me when bladeless weapon fighting, generally short staff or larger. I havent really tried anything else (As I'm more into contact hand-hand).
Hope I contributed
Anti

[zchaos]

i sparred in krabi and landed a few kicks, its hard but its possible. you need great timing to land a kick or knee, and krabi krabong has a great way of setting up a kick, you'll be amazed how you can create an opening for a kick in krabi

[Anti]

Krabi, eh? I'll have to look into it. Sounds interesting. Any other specifics you can share (makes my searching alot easier)
Anti

[zchaos]

"turning of the tide, pressing and kick". turning of the tide being if you are being pressed and you're holding your guard, you should be able to pick the right time and turn the tide, now its your turn to press, and when you're pressing, tendency is he has to block, and when he do, then you kick. so by pressing you create and opening for your kicks or knees.

"im no expert, but that's what i know and tried"......works for me

hope this helps

[Anti]

Tha does seem interesting, not to mention a little more professional sounding than what my solution did. lol, Thanx

[Crafty Dog]

This article is from the DBMA Association website (he craftily advertises )
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Krabi Krabong by Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford

One of the great things about being involved with Dog Brothers has been the ongoing search for way to better our fighting. As each of us looked to improve our fighting the others looked for ways to counter and prevail. It may have been a training technique like throwing the tire or studying other martial arts like the Brazilian jiu-jitsu. This diversity among the fighters I think lead to a real expansion in style that is not easily matched in most systems.

Being separated by both distance and availability of training, I felt that I needed to find something to counter the rapidly growing grappling skills of the other fighters. With several years training in Muay Thai, I felt I had the tools to work towards controlling close-in fighting space, but not the application. I had heard of a Thai weapons arts called Krabi Krabong and was finally able to connect with Ajarn Jason Webster of Dallas, Texas. Jason had trained at the Buddhai Swan Sword Fighting Institute in Bangkok, Thailand. He was the first foreigner to graduate from the school with the gold sash or Ajarn certification. Jason was familiar with Dog Brothers and was able to add to my fighting style without abandoning what I already used.

Krabi Krabong has a long and distinguished history in Thailand. The art is the forerunner of Muay Thai and is still practiced by the Thai military and supported by the king and queen. Training in Krabi Krabong includes weapons, saber, long staff, long spear, short spear, double sword, shields, and mai sowks. One of the last remaining schools of Krabi Krabong was Buddhai Swan. It was run by Ajarn Masaman Samai, who died in 1998.

I trained at Buddhai Swan for several years. I received my gold sash in 1996. In all of my training at Buddhai Swan we trained for six to eight hours a day, six days a week. Learning both the fighting aspects and the dancing that is a very important part of Krabi Krabong. We would train in a different weapon each day, putting them all together in the evenings. We would start the day with Buddhist chants and proceed to doing the set drills adding more free-form as we went. Occasionally we would look at the particular strengths and weaknesses of each weapon and how they related to each other.

The weapons were taught in a series of drills that varied little from weapon to weapon, thus allowing you to train in many weapons and become proficient without becoming confused. We started with double swords and then moved on to the other weapons. As you train, you might find that you body style or temperament attracts you to a certain weapon and more of your energy goes to that training. However, someone trained in Krabi Krabong should be able to fight with any weapon as well as empty-handed.

My main focus was training in the single and double swords with an eye towards application and the Dog Brother fights. One of my main attractions to Krabi Krabong was its ability to integrate empty-hand and kicking techniques into the weapons training. Though often professed by many arts, it seldom worked. Krabi Kabrong certainly has the most integrated system I've seen. A lot of emphasis was placed on kicking in a weapons fight both as an attack and as a counter. Timing is stressed, when do you kick, can you kick safely, where do you kick, can you kick without leaving yourself open to a counter. As we progressed we added knees, elbows and empty-hands.

Much of the emphasis was also placed on fighting multiple opponents. On a battle field, you could not assume you would be facing only one opponent. You could be fighting someone in back, in front, or off to the side. Many of the drills involve training to step, finish, move, finish, often using your opponent as a shield against his comrades. We worked numerous foot-work drills that included side-stepping, stepping over, around or behind your opponent. Foot-work when there were several opponents, foot-work to chase someone down, foot-work for when you were being chased down.

I also enjoyed the long weapons, staff and spear. The Krabi Krabong style is still a closer style even with a longer weapon, allowing kicks to be used as well as sweeps and other empty-hand techniques.

My favorite weapon was the mai sowks (wooden elbows). Eighteen inch long pieces of wood with double handles that were strapped to your arms. The mai sowks were developed for use against longer weapons but work well at all ranges. Much of what you see in traditional Muay Thai hand positioning, blocking, and stance come from the mai sowks. The mai sowks are a truly formidable weapon able to defend at distance and awesome in close with punches, elbows, slaps, hooks with the handles, and the ability to slide out to your hands and be used as clubs.

Krabi krabong has added immeasurably to my fighting style. I have been able to add kicking to my fighting and do so confident that it will work. The Thai attitude has also been a plus. Forward with all until the job is done.

I have found that training has worked, ambidexterity, power and movement. I feel any weapon in either hand has the potential to do damage as do legs, knees, elbows and hands.

Woof,
Ajarn Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford