Katas - they do have a place !!

[brokenelbow]

Agreed - Just practicing the kata for the sake of practicing the kata does not make you ready - you must be able to understand and apply the techniques - you have to make them your own and find ways to work them into your every day training to make them more "real"..

And how does one do that?

[Greenthink]

The basics, learn the basics and create your own variations. If you learn stuff correctly to begin with you miss out on alot of confusion. By this I am referring to dynamic movement that which shows up on the video, stop motion and replay are tremendous aids ,that is accepted in most quarters. What is not accepted is the fact that in classical martial arts training alot of the training is totally opposite of what occurs in reality. The russians have proved and it is accepted that in learning a sports movement it takes 3,000 repititions to learn a skill, but it takes 10,ooo repititions to un-learn a incorrectly taught movement. (You are actually ingraining the neural pathways in your nervous system.

So......if you learn it right to begin with and in your own language
you greatly accelerate the learning process. The basics become principles that you may elaborate upon.This results in a clarity that allows you to see the skills as similar not a confusing mass of seperate tricks, there is a method to the madness. You catagorize them in your mind and one movement re-minds you of the others. It allows the flow that is sooo important. In judo it would be to go from one hold-down/or throw/or strangle into another as soon as they escape one you are into another and so on. These are the linked attacks
that are the realm of the expert.

[ryanhall]

Ryan, of course its a tired debate. Bringing enlightenedment to the masses is not going to be easy. Leave it with me to carry the torch

It's all yours, Bri .

I had a whole reply to the kata thing typed up and decided to can it because I didn't want to get involved in this again. Kata replacing weight training because somebody doesn't have time...

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Greenthink

So......if you learn it right to begin with and in your own language

[Greenthink]

Its my same argument about classical judo instruction. You don't learn movement standing still. Human beings are not analogous with sticks and boxes and wheels.

And here we go again, uchi komi's
teach you not to throw, you stop at the moment of throwing correct? You see this in contests all the time people fitting in and not throwing, whether it is because they pause to think allowing the split second to escape or just the ingraining of instinct not to throw, its a reaction. Just like thai bri's analogy of hitting air how does that teach you to hit?

And how does having to learn a foreign language facilitate learning a martial art or a sport ?

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Greenthink

And how does having to learn a foreign language facilitate learning a martial art or a sport ?

You are the most cowardly weakling I've run across in quite some time!

[Greenthink]

Originally posted by jubaji


You are the most cowardly weakling I've run across in quite some time!

To call someone names over a telephone line that you have never met shows who the coward is.

Why are you so anal?

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Greenthink


To call someone names over a telephone line that you have never met shows who the coward is.

You're right. I've never met the telephone line.

idiot.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Greenhomo


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Hey Jubaji it sounds like you really like those high school boys huh. I bet you would like to wrestle with them too . You sound like Micheal Jackson .

Why are you so anal?

I told you before "miss" to keep your deviance to yourself. Take your cowardly, inbred, weak-as-hell, don't-have-a-clue, been-beat-down-by-everyone-you-ever-met, stupid-as-hell shit elsewhere. hyaku shine, aho no okama!!

[Thai Bri]

Theres a thin line between love and hate. I reckon these two will be announcing their engagement pretty soon.

Can I be a Bridesmaid?

[choylifutrocks]

Originally posted by jubaji


You're right. I've never met the telephone line.

idiot.

Hey Jubaji, I see you're making new friends