nolimitskarate - who has the closed mind?

[Thai Bri]

Which of us has the closed mind about the effectiveness of Karate?

I have been there, studied it and, after both studying other arts AND after having been in more than my share of street fights, I have rejected it.

What have you done. Name the arts you have studied, and tell me how they are less effective than Karate. You get extra credibility if you succesfully show anything about Thai Boxing or BJJ that is less effective than Karate.

And find me the martial artists that started in either of these arts, but were "converted" to the ways of Karate. I'm pretty sure that the traffic has actually gone the other way.

The challenge is on.

[nolimitskarate]

So many threads so little time .....

I'll get back to the kata one in a minute.

K - sound fair, let's see where this goes ....... I will start with this thread - may take a few minutes to type it all up so be patient ......

[Thai Bri]

I'm off to work. I'll check back later and pull you to bits then. Don't wait up now, ya hear?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Sweet. An actual competition.

Give 'im 'ell Karate!

[nolimitskarate]

What have you done. Name the arts you have studied, and tell me how they are less effective than Karate.

I started out in Karate (with a good dose of Judo mixed in for good measure). Black Belt in said - won't discuss degrees as they don't seem to matter on this board.

Moved on to Tae Kwon Doe - did not stay with this long as I was not happy with either the instructor or the school.

Very briefly studied Hapkido before I had to move.

Back to Karate as well as Jiu-Jitsu and Aikido - Another style of karate - another blackbelt. Currently purple belt in jiu jitsu - continuing study and application. Not actively pursuing Aikido.

Actively pursuing Karate, Jiu-Jitsu and Kickboxing.

Wrested fairly extensively in high school.

Have been a bouncer and bar keep in many clubs (NJ, NY, Cleveland, etc....) - have also seen a share of street altercation.

Frankly, in the bar the best techniques are the easiest (an arm bar or take out a knee).

I don't view styles of fighting as one being more effective than the other, although the Tae Kkwon doe was my leas favorite (again - probably the instructor more than anything. )

As to what I like or dislike about each -

Karate - I admit that I am old school to some extent and I enjoy tradition that surronds it. However, I am not so much of a traditionalist that I am not willing to bend or change to fit the need of the times. I believe that you must match your training to what is relevent today (don't take that to mean that I don't see a place for forms or one steps - ) - Useful for attacks that involve alot of punching or kicking ( yes looping punches that most drunk idiots use counts as a punch even if there holding a beer bottle).


Judo can be mixed in to utilze your opponents momentum against them.

Jiu-Jitsu - I enjoy this style as well, although I will Reiterate that this is not my preffered style - thus I have to work harder at it. The holds and bars associated with it provide greater ability to subdue an attacker and keep them submissive until "help" arrives. Additionally, the aspects of ground fighting involved are a skill I believe we all need to know - you never know when you will end up on the ground (and I don't like to be there).


Kickboxing - sometimes I just like to throw down.

I guess what it boils down to is that I don't think that one style covers all the bases - I think you need to look at various aspects of different styles and understand where they are relevent - whatever art or arts you chose - there are benefits to each.

As far as students moving from one style to another - my experiance (and my experiance only) has been this - student usually move because they either A) Have an issue with the instructor or School, or B) Are not having there specific goals met.

So as far as that goes - I really don't have specific examples to cite.

See if this is what you are looking for / or ask for more.

[nolimitskarate]

back soon -

Need to run to a meeting - you know the work thing - back soon - look forward to your response.

[nolimitskarate]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
Sweet. An actual competition.

Give 'im 'ell Karate!

Fun Eh ??? Didn't think I'd stir up such a hornets nest ....

[Szczepankiewicz]

Most traditionalists come on here and spout off and have no ass to back it up.

I don't agree with all of your opinions but at least you can back them up with logical discussion.

I'm not sure I posted it or not, but you seem to have a good old school attitude of testing things out to see what works and what is just for show.

I can respect that.

Spanky

[nolimitskarate]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
Most traditionalists come on here and spout off and have no ass to back it up.

I don't agree with all of your opinions but at least you can back them up with logical discussion.

I'm not sure I posted it or not, but you seem to have a good old school attitude of testing things out to see what works and what is just for show.

I can respect that.

Spanky

Thanx - again - I'm not so much of a traditionalist that I'm not willing to look at other points of view - and look for other methods and ways to train - one of the reasons I joined this board after browsing it .........

[nolimitskarate]

Gone for the weekend - back on monday.

Have a good weekend all ................

[brokenelbow]

And find me the martial artists that started in either of these arts, but were "converted" to the ways of Karate. I'm pretty sure that the traffic has actually gone the other way.

Got one, me.

I love Muay Thai, kali and BJJ. Was into JKD for sometime too. But karate has the best mix of techniques for me, it's more organized than JKD with the technique de jour and has more practical techniques for the street. The karate school sparred more often than the Muay Thai school, which had two kinds of people those who trained hard and those that just kicked the bag and pads half ass. BJJ still has the better ground game in spades so that training will happen again.

[Thai Bri]

Jiu Jitsu. Which kind? Brazillian or the silly un?

Aikido? Hmmmmmmm.

Hapkido? Double Hmmmmmm

TKD - triple Hmmmmmm

But the Judo is ok.

In short I'll say this. Karate does have the potential to be an effective fighting art IF they get back to the realistic training techniques.

See ya Monday.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by nolimitskarate
[I]
Wrested fairly extensively in high school.

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"Wrested"?

Does that mean you took it easy?

[Greenthink]

Originally posted by jubaji


"Wrested"?

Does that mean you took it easy?

All this guy does is critisize,Like he's never made a typo. Are you so insecure that your'e afraid to offer any intelligent feedback? Or maybe you don't know anything .

Why don't you try to learn something, engage the brain then your mouth. It gets a little old, the begging for attention. Didn't your mommy breast feed you? You are like a little puppy humping people's legs.Go play with your balls if you have any.

[jubaji]

Originally posted by Greenfag

It gets a little old, the begging for attention.

Gee, ya think?

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