Karate ain't so bad

[konghan]

By the way, NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA players takes years to become what they are. And it takes more years to be a good couch not 6 months.

[Thai Bri]

Yes. But they can learn to play the game in one lesson. They learn to play, and then get better and better at it.......

The don't take 10 years to learn the game in the first place. Doh!

[darrianation]

The 10 year of intense training actually involves the following:
1. iron fist, able to punch with penetrating power against armour, nreaking & shattering enemy bones, chest, rib, shin or arms.
2. iron grip, to be able to lock into joints like elbow, knees, hips, colar bone & manipulate them with crushing pain
3. iron palm: a strike that would cause severe internal injuries
4. body conditioning, forearm, shoulders, chest, stomack, thighs & shins
5. agility & mobility
6. speed, endurance & stamina
7. reflexes & reaction
8. instinct
9. healing, chinese medicine that include pressure point, bone setting etc.
10. before the time of the guns: mastery of some weapons that include swords, spears, archery or projectiles. These is what being a true MA master is about.

Now you telling me that one can learn all these in 6 months? No wonder we got so many macdojo.

Combatieves is a no non-sense, no bullshit approach to self-defense. It is geared towards the real world and modern day crime. I am talking about civilian combative. We learn:

1) Avoidance
2) Awareness and Threat assessment
3) Fight psychology
4) Tactical awareness and positioning
5) Decision making
6) Attribute development-strength, speed, conditioning, power, and etc.
7) Weapons – Fire arms, knife, stick/improvise weapons or everyday items that can be used as a defensive or offensive weapon, other weapons (chemical sprays, stun guns, and etc).
8) Empty hand techniques.

Many course also teach: First aid including CPR. I have taught in different combative courses ACLS (advanced cardiac life support), ATLS (advanced trauma life support), and IV (intravenous) insertion.

Other stuff that you may find in a combatives course (civillian courses): Defensive driving/combat driving, communication (radios including handless), NBR (Nuclear, biological, chemical), High risk rescue, VIP or corporate security, and etc.

Methods involve live fire exercises, kill houses, realistic movable targets, and live action drills as well as realistic scenarios. We use and incorporate the most up to date knowledge, Science, and technology including sport science and combat psychology.

We seek and implement techniques and strategies that are simple to learn and easy to retain that work the greatest percentage of the time on a consistent basis. These include stand up striking skills as well as grappling skills.

We come by our philosophies, strategies, tactics, and techniques through study/research, observation, experimentation, and experience. We learn from the pros in the real world doing real world operations (law enforcement, military, body guards, doormen, and etc), and through their success and failures as well as our own.

When we find something that doesn’t work to a high degree of consistency we get rid of it whether it is a technique, training method, exercise, drill, tactic, strategy, or a philosophy. If we find something that does work to a high level of consistency whether it is a technique, training method, exercise, drill, tactic, strategy, or a philosophy we utilize it.

This makes us live, often without style and ever changing for the better. We learn to be efficient, proficient, and effective. And we do it in a much shorter amount time than most TMAs.

[brokenelbow]

Elbowboy. Sounds interesting. Does the school have a site?

Website, hell Thai Bri we don't even have a dojo. What we do have is a time on Saturdays that is set in stone, the place varies but usually it's at one of the instructors home. Sometimes we borrow a friends dojo off hours during the week. It's really informal, just a couple of very experienced people that love karate and love to teach. No belts, no formalities, just dedication to showing up. It's amazing how much you can learn without all of the BS of most karate schools and how practical karate is when you drop the trappings.

darrian, what branch of combatives are you doing?

[Thai Bri]

Yes. I think Karate can work. It is a system meant to destroy an opponent, not piss about with flicky kicky games of tag. But it is rare that you will find it.

There was a New Zealander who used to teach near me called Gary Spiers. He has sadly died. He was a Dan grade Goju Ryu Karateka (graded under Gogen Yamaguchi no less) and ran his own "Applied Karate" classes in Liverpool.

His fighting style was very well thought of. And I kick myself that I never got off my fat butt and went to train with him.

[sherwinc]

TMAs are a thing of the past. They bring few relevant things to today’s modern chaotic world. What takes a kung Fu guy 10 years to learn, a person can learn in 6 months in a modern reality based combative. Not only that the combative student can be prepared for more lethal situations and a larger variety of confrontations.

a thing that is easily manufactured, easily learned, etc.... is also easy to defeat and easy to know its weak-points as well as easy to know its advantages.......

example:

1. Elementary Science is easy to learn compare to College Physics......

2. Japanese ToraTora WorldWarII Fighterplane is easy to defeat compare to F-14 Tomcat fighter plane......... and F-14 has many options compare to ToraTora........

3. Personal Computer Red-Alert Yuri's Revenge is hard to learn and many options and more fun compare to Family Computer's Mario Brother's Game......

4. A College Graduate Student is really hard to fool compare to a Grade's School Student........

5. then a KungFu(10years learning) is hard to defeat, hard to break the code, plenty of options, compare to a non-KungFu(6months learning)........

[brokenelbow]

What was his "Applied Karate" like TB?

You're right about karate as a system meant to destroy an opponent. If you take that view rather than looking for some complicated use of pressure points hidden in the kata, things make more sense. I think effective karate got lost somewhere in the point sparring, musical kata and secret one touch knock outs.

[sherwinc]

TMAs are a thing of the past. They bring few relevant things to today’s modern chaotic world. What takes a kung Fu guy 10 years to learn, a person can learn in 6 months in a modern reality based combative. Not only that the combative student can be prepared for more lethal situations and a larger variety of confrontations.

here in the Philippines, the common military weapon here is M16 Armalite Rifle.....

while in your place - there you have:
1. MP5 Navy
2. Mac10
3. Carbine
4. Uzi
5. etc..... you have many variety and types of firearms invented........

this is the reason why United States of America is so powerful enough cause they have many options in each of their weapons in a particular respective field of usages........


same also with Martial Arts styles:

KungFu has 400 styles and systems invented......

while Non-kungfu such as Karate, TaeKwonDo, MuayThai, Savate, Boxing, KickBoxing, MMA, etc..... ARE ALL LOOKS LIKE THE SAME (at least 6 months to learn)

The reason why KungFu - that i said before is THE BEST - but not one agree - so its not my fault, i am only here helping you all here to OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH and you'll thank me someday

[Thai Bri]

Thats very true elbowboy.

I never saw the guy in action, but have heard and read about him.

It did not look pretty, and involved elbows to the face, right crosses, biting, knees and some wrestling etc. All gutterfighting type stuff. Apparently he was a strong guy who'd just charge right in, the closer the better.

[brokenelbow]

The guys I'm learning from don't charge in, I did that and got slapped down fast, but they do move in fast. It's low kicks to the knees, knees, elbows and almost everything is done close up and personal. Also a big emphasis on targeting. I was amazed at how basics done correctly could be so effective.

[Thai Bri]

Thats what it all should be about. Pick techniques that are EASY to do, and perfect them.

But people see progression as performing more difficult techniques. And then they wonder why they can't apply them in a real go.

By the way, Spiers mostly fought multiple opponents. He went at them to give them a dose of fear....... Its surprising how people run when they think they're facing a genuine lunatic.

[darrianation]

here in the Philippines, the common military weapon here is M16 Armalite Rifle.....

while in your place - there you have:
1. MP5 Navy
2. Mac10
3. Carbine
4. Uzi
5. etc..... you have many variety and types of firearms invented........

this is the reason why United States of America is so powerful enough cause they have many options in each of their weapons in a particular respective field of usages........


same also with Martial Arts styles:

KungFu has 400 styles and systems invented......

while Non-kungfu such as Karate, TaeKwonDo, MuayThai, Savate, Boxing, KickBoxing, MMA, etc..... ARE ALL LOOKS LIKE THE SAME (at least 6 months to learn)

The reason why KungFu - that i said before is THE BEST - but not one agree - so its not my fault, i am only here helping you all here to OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH and you'll thank me someday

And some of those weapons you mentioned are crap, just like a lot of TMAs.

[darrianation]

a thing that is easily manufactured, easily learned, etc.... is also easy to defeat and easy to know its weak-points as well as easy to know its advantages.......

example:

1. Elementary Science is easy to learn compare to College Physics......

2. Japanese ToraTora WorldWarII Fighterplane is easy to defeat compare to F-14 Tomcat fighter plane......... and F-14 has many options compare to ToraTora........

3. Personal Computer Red-Alert Yuri's Revenge is hard to learn and many options and more fun compare to Family Computer's Mario Brother's Game......

4. A College Graduate Student is really hard to fool compare to a Grade's School Student........

5. then a KungFu(10years learning) is hard to defeat, hard to break the code, plenty of options, compare to a non-KungFu(6months learning)........

You’re so full of shit! You’re out there talking about F-14s and computer games comparing it to self-defense.

That’s the problem with you guys you over complicate this shit! It isn't rocket science; it's not how long you train. It's about how smart you train, what you train, and how hard you train.

The reason it takes the TMAs so long to train their students is because all the bull shit they add on. It takes a lot longer to learn and engrain you NMM (neuromuscular memory) fine motor skilled techniques than it does gross motor skilled techniques. Fine motor skilled techniques have been proven to fail time after time when fear and adrenaline hit and the primitive brain takes over during a stressful violent encounter. Also a lot of the methodologies are not specific to SD and many things like pre-arranged drills, and forms/kata are actually counter productive because the train the NMM in the wrong way. Dead drills waste time, learning long complicated katas takes time, energy is wasted.

Narrow down your weapons locker and build your arsenal around techniques and tactics that work on a large percentage of the time and on a consistent basis and not worry about techniques that might work maybe 1 or 2 out of ten. The TMAs are inefficient; they have large arsenals of weapons that do not perform well on a consistent basis, their methods of training waste time and energy, and at times are counter productive.

[darrianation]

Website, hell Thai Bri we don't even have a dojo. What we do have is a time on Saturdays that is set in stone, the place varies but usually it's at one of the instructors home. Sometimes we borrow a friends dojo off hours during the week. It's really informal, just a couple of very experienced people that love karate and love to teach. No belts, no formalities, just dedication to showing up. It's amazing how much you can learn without all of the BS of most karate schools and how practical karate is when you drop the trappings.

darrian, what branch of combatives are you doing?

Combatives:

Military combatives
Gun site x3 pistol, shotgun courses, and Close Quarters Tactics
Thunder ranch, HIT course (high intensity tactical)
Tony Blauer (For military)
SCARS x 3 (Military and civilian)
Tactical driving (military, personal protection courses)

Other seminars:

ROSS
Krav Maga x3
Eric Paulson submission wrestling

Real world experiance:

U.S. Military with combat experience (6 years active, 4 years reserves)
Professional protection services
Paramedic/RRT

I am off to another combative seminar in Navada this weekend. I'll leave tomarrow and will be back next week. I'll be doing advanced tactical hand gun, and advanced tactical knife.

[sherwinc]

The reason it takes the TMAs so long to train their students is because all the bull shit they add on.

and for what reason will i waste my time learning bull shit as an add-on?????


The effect of learning bull-shit as an add-on:

1. its a waste of time......

2. its a waste of expenses......

3. its a waste of energy......

4. and be defeated in every sparring making the art deteriorated.....

Note:
you know, i am a very aristrocrat kind of person, which means, i will never learn/engage something which is useless to me, waste of time, waste of expenses, waste of energy and it will only lead me to sparring with a ratio of 12:12.......

CONVINCED????????