manrikigurasi

[Garland]

I was wondering if anyone teaches how to fight with the chain anymore...seems like it would have alot of pracitcal use, since so many things around us can work as a flexible weapons.
This is one thing I really want to learn, mix it mith some silat stuff using the sarong...ahhhhh.

[koto_ryu]

The Bujinkan trains with the kusari fundo which is fundamentally the exact same thing, instead of little steel bars on each end like a manriki they're just small round weights.

[Garland]

don't take offense (I know, I know...)
but, most self styled "ninja" arts are obvious BS...are the chain things at least practicle...I mean, how do I get the strikes to wrap limbs...that's the main thing I want to know. Once I get that down pat, I can combine with silat and kali to lock, take down, and break. (or even cooler, severe/amputate, with razor wire)
Needless to say..this would be an awesome skill to be able to be proficient at. Because the weapon is legal, the most concealable, and perhaps the quickest at many different ranges to utilize save long weapons or projectiles.
What is the trick to getting the chain to wrap and lock around a limb or neck without being up close, i.e. with a strike, to pull in, choke, or trip?

[koto_ryu]

don't take offense (I know, I know...)
but, most self styled "ninja" arts are obvious BS...are the chain things at least practicle...I mean, how do I get the strikes to wrap limbs...that's the main thing I want to know. Once I get that down pat, I can combine with silat and kali to lock, take down, and break. (or even cooler, severe/amputate, with razor wire)

Well, if you don't think they're practical, why are you asking about how to use them? I personally carry a rope kusari fundo with me, and I have used it several times in the course of apprehending shoplifters as it's lightweight, legal, and effective. The chain ones, however, are not and I doubt it's wise to walk around with razor wire in your pocket

[MatthewAlphonso]

I'd say it would be much better to put razor wire on a guitar . As for learning Manriki, if all else fails just experiment. Experimentation seem to be how my friend and I are doomed to learn Rope-Dart (don't know the traditional chinese name for it). you could always set up a dummy or even use a thin heavy bag to learn how to wrap (though I think personally that wrapping is more luck than skill).

[Garland]

I throw pots...occifer, it's just a clay cutter.

And...yeah, maybe I worded that last post wrong...ninjitsu (for the vastly most part) baaaadddd, chain....goooooood. Oh, yeah, so what's the trick to getting the chain to wrap and hold...a flick of the wrist at the right time of deployment, proper angulation, both, or what?

[Garland]

Since most Traditional Japanese arts work on forms, what, if any, is the form for this...anyone got an weblink or a book comes to mind?

[koto_ryu]

Since most Traditional Japanese arts work on forms, what, if any, is the form for this...anyone got an weblink or a book comes to mind?

Stand on a high chair, wrap it around your neck, and then jump off. Try to struggle free, fail, and die. Seems like the best form to me, it works out well for everyone And there is far more to it than just those two, trust me. If you don't learn the basics of how to strike with the thing and not get brained yourself, you'll never get the casting.

[Garland]

And there is far more to it than just those two, trust me. If you don't learn the basics of how to strike with the thing and not get brained yourself, you'll never get the casting.

So...enlighten me. For all your quick witted quips, you sure are slow to answer a question. The mic is yours, sensei.

[koto_ryu]

So...enlighten me. For all your quick witted quips, you sure are slow to answer a question. The mic is yours, sensei.

1) Buy one.
2) Get a friend (might be a stretch for you)
3) Start practicing.

Now you've got it all, go use that razor wire to sever off somebody's head I offered you a way to learn, and you just go and bash my art then ask how to sever off somebody's head with razor wire and think you're going to get an honest answer? Nynja, please

[Garland]

1) got one
2) undependible stoners
3) trees make good dummies

* still, inform me mr. deadly Nynja black arts supa-freak mad-dog killa, why your ninjitsu is credible?
I mean...I don't mean to single it out, but bejesus, the rest of your listed styles seem pretty straight forward, if not effective, how did the ninjitsu end up on that list? Is it for real? What's the lineage, and what does it encompass? Now I'm curious!

Pretty easy to use razor wire...they teach it as a skill in Fairbarn and Appelgate's books on combatives...I was just indicating how it could be thrown into and implemented in this type of a system. I mean, really, how much more proficient and "economic" is the wire compared to a chain. A chain is harder to conceal, and it isn't as effective...I mean, it's not very useable in a legal sense, and it's kind of unconsciounable to use it on an unarmed assailant, but so is a knife, a collapsable baton, a gun, or a brick, candle stick, and whatever else.

[Garland]

I appologise if you think I'm talking shit. Don't take this too personal, man... You seem like an alright guy, and I'm in no way trying to attack you, I might question the credibility of the whole "ninja" thing, but, honestly, can you blame me?

Don't get too hung up on the razor wire thing...it's a side note, merely something that came to mind, and honestly, is it really that bad of an idea??

[koto_ryu]

still, inform me mr. deadly Nynja black arts supa-freak mad-dog killa, why your ninjitsu is credible? I mean...I don't mean to single it out, but bejesus, the rest of your listed styles seem pretty straight forward, if not effective, how did the ninjitsu end up on that list?

Possibly because its straight forward and effective? It's the Bujinkan school, very traditional which is why many people do not like it but I view martial arts more as a way of life than as a sport or past-time so I enjoy the traditional ones more (didn't use to, but I learned).

much more proficient and "economic" is the wire compared to a chain. A chain is harder to conceal, and it isn't as effective...

Chain weapons are not just flexible weapons, they can also be used as rigid weapons for blocking and misdirecting attacks. And if you want to walk around with a pocketful of razor wire, be my guest.

and it's kind of unconsciounable to use it on an unarmed assailant, but so is a knife, a collapsable baton, a gun, or a brick, candle stick, and whatever else.

I take it you mean unconsiderable :P You don't have to smash, strike, or whip with them, you can entangle with them. My training kusari fundo is just a simple 3ft length of rope with two braided ends, but you can use it for virtually all the same techniques save some of the striking ones.

[Garland]

What type of rope, kinbakushi sensei...

[koto_ryu]

What type of rope, kinbakushi sensei...

Don't even know how you know what that means Freak.

And I use ropes with razors in em, so I can saw off their heads