is judo practical in real life?

[bodhisattva]

I guess if that's what everybody wanted, more power to the gym.

It's not how I'd want it. I'd go find a gym where they beat my ass, but pissy grudges had nothing to do with it.

I'd go find a place where they beat the hell out of me because they liked me so much.

[HtTKar]

in the dojo you are required to graciously throw your partner which means allow him to break his fall. usually by keeping a part of his body held

everybodies trained in how to break their own fall.
Trying to graciously throw someone down is how people get hurt or burned. Better just to throw the way your taught, and know how to fall properly.

[BJJ-2/04]

My Take

I have seen both sport Judo and self-defense Judo. Both are excellent for street defense. Also, most schools regardless of the focus teach striking, ground work, throws and self defense techniques. Every Judo school I’ve seen teaches the Judo/Jujitsu slap to the ear. Many years ago (88) I was deciding between shotokan karate and judo, I choose the karate. Now, I wish I did the Judo.

Since February I’ve be training in BJJ. My BJJ school teaches many techniques standing, most don’t, if I had to move I’d probably take Judo because most BJJ schools now only teach the ground and focus on sport. In non-sport BJJ you position yourself not to get hit by strike but leave yourself open. In sport BJJ by positioning not to get hit by the strike, you might lose your position in a grappling match. BJJ has been successful against wrestling and judo because in the sport of Judo, like in wrestling, the pinning one on his back wins a match. BJJ does not mind having the back on the ground. Even if the Judo school focuses on sport, as long as you understand it’s limitations it can be a valuable asset to your TKD.

[sirmattu]

hardball, the whole point of judo is be able to throw everyone regardless of size, so wouldnt the beginning throws be effective?

[Hardball]

hardball, the whole point of judo is be able to throw everyone regardless of size, so wouldnt the beginning throws be effective?

Maybe, or Maybe not..............It all depends on the situation. I like to take 3 to 5 techniques and master them for use in a real fight. The guys I train with are 260lbs and 280lbs respectively. They are shorter than me. { I'm 5'11"} It's much easier for me to get off a foot throw or sweep than to try a full fledged hip throw on someone built that way. My instructor who is about 5'5" doesn't have that problem; he can throw anybody. My preference is to stay in kicking and punching range. I know how to grapple if necessary But I prefer to knock my opponents out with strikes.

Hope that answer helps.

[Tant01]

If I may, the techniques themselves are not really the question. We should ask which technique will work best in a real situation if that guy twice your size is trying to knock you out with strikes?. For instance you start a basic Judo technique with the attachment already established but from "kicking range" you'll need a good transition and some other skills to get into position to throw him . Unless he just gives it to you...

[Hardball]

If I may, the techniques themselves are not really the question. We should ask which technique will work best in a real situation if that guy twice your size is trying to knock you out with strikes?. For instance you start a basic Judo technique with the attachment already established but from "kicking range" you'll need a good transition and some other skills to get into position to throw him . Unless he just gives it to you...

I'm trained in Japanese Jujitsu but it is basically the same as judo. Our philosophy is to Kuzushi before a throw. The kuzushi can be with a strike, or what my instructor calls an infinity move, lightning, or pain. But like I said, I prefer KO by strike..............................If I'm in kicking range then I probably would just stay in kicking range with the philosophy that I'm gonna out kick him or advance to deadly punching range. The right cross that is.....................My heavy artillery.


{if this response isn't making sense it's because I'm being distracted by screaming babies.} Yikes.............lol............I'm outta here.

[Rank7]

Judo is an extremely effective martial art. It is also referred to as the basis for all other martial arts. Slam them down instant death. Crushing hold-down suffocation. Strangle or chokes especially with an attack on the carotid sinus reflex and you have complete unconciousness within 3-4 seconds.Armbar with the complete destruction of the elbow joint instantaeneously debilitating excrusheating pain. Ippon means sudden death for a reason. judo practitioners train in the most scientific form of wrestling that there is.A weight trained judo athelete will absolutly demolish anybody. they ,if trained properly, will regularly train at a fully comitted power level diving their opponents into the mat ,full bore letting the opponent absorb both impacts from the mat and the opponent crashing him in.
Judo atheletes heartrate is brought up to the 190's unheard of in most other sports. Train in the summer heat in a second floor judo school, with the heavy cotten uniform built to withstand all the pulling , and they will beat you thru conditioning easily.
Take a gymnast type and train them in judo with the tumbling skills and upper body strength how are you going to beat them. Bjj guys just don't understand how to throw so they try to dismiss it. But how many fights start off on the ground in real life anyway so which skill set really reflects more skills , judo of course. It is more ,not less. Add some hitting and kicking, a few knee/ankle/ neck locks, and you have ALL the martial arts.

Thats a serious post. Judo is not the only art trained under such extreme conditions.

[GREENTHINKS]

Granted,BUT because Judo has been an Olympic sport since 1960 it has become an extremely competitive affair. Although modern training methods are not practiced or taught at all levels.The classical training methods present an impediment to skill aquisition. But thru constant practice and individual initiative the substandard skills as taught are trancended by individual merit.
Such culturally inappropriate activities as forced bowing tend to present an uncritical adherance to old-fashioned training methods. Often resulting in un-dynamic movement and sport skills. This unquestioning mindset keeps athletes looking backwards towards training methods developed in the 1880's. And by not taking advantage of modern technologies, I.E. video, kinesiology, nutrition, weight training,physical dynamics and other scientific methodologies, there is a vast range in differance of athletic skill. (The poor showing by the U.S. team in the past 2004 summer Olympics as I predicted in my earlier posts!)

[Tom Yum]

Such culturally inappropriate activities as forced bowing

speaking of bowing, how's your sensei John Holmes these days

[GREENTHINKS]

GOOD, ALTHOUGH NEITHER HE NOR I BEING OF JAPANESE DESENT USE FOREIGN TERMINOLOGY WHEN ADDRESSING EACH OTHER. EXACTLY LIKE THE VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND CONCEPT THAT TEACHING A SPORT IN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE WOULD TEND TO IMPEDE SUCH A CONVERSATION OR THE IMPLEMENTING AND TRANSFERANCE OF SPORT SKILLS.
I WOULD CALL HIM COACH. HE IS STILL TEACHING AND PRODUCING CHAMPIONS BOTH IN WRESTLING AND JUDO. ON A STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL.
IN FACT I HAVE BEEN TELLING HIM TO START SIGNING UP PROSPECTIVE JUDO CHAMPIONS TO BEGIN TRAINING FOR THE 2008 SUMMER OLYMPICS.
SINCE I HEARD THAT THE TRAINING CENTER IN COLORADO SPRINGS HAS KICKED OUT THE JUDO PROGRAM. (I THINK ) . HE HAD THAT RAHDI FERGUSON VISIT AWILE BACK. THAT GUY WAS IN THE LAST OLYMPICS.
COACH HOLM'S SCHOOL HAS IN THE PAST PUT ON SEMINARS BY OLEG TATATROV AND MAURICE SMITHS SCHOOL USED TO BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

JOHN ALSO HAS A BOXING RING IN THE JUDO SCHOOL ( NOTICE NOT DOJO).
THE GUY IS ALWAYS BUSY DOING SOMETHING. HIS WEBSITE judochampions.com IS ALSO BEING REVAMPED.

ANYBODY IN THE SEATTLE AREA IS WELCOME TO VISIT. ANYBODY WANTS TO CONTACT A JUDO COACH WITH 35 OR SO CHAMPIONS PRODUCED AND 50 YEARS OF JUDO EXPERIENCE DROP IN.

[Tom Yum]

Does John Holmes work the north-south position alot with you guys?

[sirmattu]

I think anyone here who knows anything about judo would tell you that the U.S. would do terribly in judo. It's always those 3 that claim all the medals, and those who just luck out.

[jubaji]

Its...alive!

Such culturally inappropriate activities as forced bowing tend to present an uncritical adherance to !)

Did you sneak out of the nut-house again? Fucking clown. Listen to the doctors, take your pills, and the big-bad bow monster won't hurt you.

[GREENTHINKS]

How Is Tom Doing ? I See That You Have Posted 3,800 Times? Doesn't Your Finger Get Sore. And Not The Middle One Either!