Judo Question

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example #5

ippon seonagi ; this is a good example of where the animation doesn't even match the contest clip.note the angle of attack in the clip, but in the animation the guy is falling backwards out of position. in the clip the guy jumps in real deep and instantly has an angle of attack throwing his opponant forward.

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#6 example

uki goshi: why is his left leg out front pushing him backwards out of the throw? and why is the opponant landing where he is standing?he should be falling out farther not being dropped because you are pushing yourself out of the throw.

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i feel i can go on and on with these but shouldn't the animations at least match the film clips?

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example #7

uchi mata: the animations show once again not getting the driver leg into action. instead they show it pushing backwards in one forcing himself out of position. the other is straight up and down it is some ones idea of a demonstration. showing that they don't know how to teach it properly let alone demonstrate it. look at the film clip. look at the driver leg the extreme angle of attack and pushing / throwing motion. they cover a good six to eight feet, not landing at your feet or even worse where you were standing.

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Kevin - have you ever heard of "an Example". The clips are proper examples of techniques...that's it isn't that obvious or are you oblivious. Come one don't start the psychotic stuff.

DO YOU MEAN THAT THE ANIMATIONS ARE CORRECT? OR THE FILM CLIPS? SOME OF THOSE ARE CONTEST,SOME ARE STAGED. THE MAIN THING WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY CAN US IT WITH SUCCESS.EASIER SAID THEN DONE. BUT THEY DO ILLUSTRATE THE DESCREPENCIES BETWEEN CLASSICAL TRAINING AND HOW THE THROWS ACTUALLY WORK.LOOK AT THE DIFFERANCES BETWEEN THEM.

WHY DON'T THE ANIMATIONS MATCH THE "'CONTEST" FILM CLIPS?
ARE THEY TRYING TO TEACH IT DIFFERANTLY THAN IT IS PERFORMED?

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Classic Judo...

WELL SEEING THAT YOU ASKED THEY ARE ALL OLD FASHIONED STANDING STILL CLASSICAL JUDO. ...
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...HOW OFTEN DOES SOMEONE JUST STAND THERE IN ONE PLACE WAITING TO BE THROWN ? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERANCE BETWEEN SHOWING HOW YOU THINK IT IS DONE AND HOW IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS ON TAPE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

When these animations only use a few images in sequence it's difficult to tell if they are moving at all without some kind of background refrence. Perhaps they do not do the techniques justice as they ARE indeed dynamic but they also do not show the nuances of kuzushi. They serve the purpose for which they were intended, simple animations to demonstrate techniques.

Still photographs likewise leave much to your understanding of the Judo. I do not think it makes the techniques incorrect and the rest of your complaints are irrelevant because without the background in the animations to give you a sense of the distance each image is required to move to perform the technique "correctly" we can assume the Viewer is also moving to keep the image centered in the window...


As I said, feel free to send your complaints to SENSEI@JUDOINFO.COM

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Please Keep In Mind That I Am Not Trying To Insult You And I Really Don't Think I Can Change Your Mind , Unless The Motivation Is Already There. But This Is Where The Classical Training And The Dynamic Sports Oreintated Judo Converge. All The Judo Books Show The Classical Type Of Judo. Except Where The Contest Photos Are Concerned.
It Is Taught One Way But Thru Trial And Error Athletes Figure Out How To Perform The Throws At A Higher Level Inspite Of Their Training!

The Key Is Movement. That Is The Whole Differance.
You Have To Remember That They Didn't Have Moving Recorded Images When Judo Was Invented In The 1880's. Movies, Video Etc.

And You Can't Have It Both Ways ..either The Animations Are Done Poorly Or They Are Technically Correct. You Said Both.

If They Had Squares On The Mat It Would Help. That Is Always A Problem When Looking At Photos Of Judo. But A Trained Eye Can See The Dynamics, Driving Leg,angle Of Attack, Ankle Flexion Etc.
I Can See If It Is Staged Or Not. I Can Also Tell When The Opponant Is Jumping Into Being Thrown Like On Tv Wrestling, Same With When Judo Is"demonstrated".most Of The Demonstrations You See The Person Being Thrown Is "helping" By Jumping Into The Throw Let Alone Allowing To Be Thrown. That Is Why They Are Not Dynamic Or Technically Correct . And That Is Why They "appear" To Work.

But That Isn't How It Is In Reality. (in My Opinion).?

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Please Keep In Mind That I Am Not Trying To Insult You And I Really Don't Think I Can Change Your Mind , Unless The Motivation Is Already There. But This Is Where The Classical Training And The Dynamic Sports Oreintated Judo Converge. All The Judo Books Show The Classical Type Of Judo. Except Where The Contest Photos Are Concerned.
It Is Taught One Way But Thru Trial And Error Athletes Figure Out How To Perform The Throws At A Higher Level Inspite Of Their Training!

The Key Is Movement. That Is The Whole Differance.
You Have To Remember That They Didn't Have Moving Recorded Images When Judo Was Invented In The 1880's. Movies, Video Etc.

And You Can't Have It Both Ways ..either The Animations Are Done Poorly Or They Are Technically Correct. You Said Both.

If They Had Squares On The Mat It Would Help. That Is Always A Problem When Looking At Photos Of Judo. But A Trained Eye Can See The Dynamics, Driving Leg,angle Of Attack, Ankle Flexion Etc.
I Can See If It Is Staged Or Not. I Can Also Tell When The Opponant Is Jumping Into Being Thrown Like On Tv Wrestling, Same With When Judo Is"demonstrated".most Of The Demonstrations You See The Person Being Thrown Is "helping" By Jumping Into The Throw Let Alone Allowing To Be Thrown. That Is Why They Are Not Dynamic Or Technically Correct . And That Is Why They "appear" To Work.

But That Isn't How It Is In Reality. (in My Opinion).?

Not at all...

Perhaps you do not recognize the dynamic competition Judo as classical judo training but Randori at any level is classical training. The animations are very simple illustrations to give UNTRAINED viewers an idea of how a technique is performed. To illustrate the differences between various techniques and offer a sample of the variety of techniques a Judoka can employ with practice and training.

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The Animations Are Less Than Worthless... They Actually Are Harmful. (some Of Them Anyhow).

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The Animations Are Less Than Worthless... They Actually Are Harmful. (some Of Them Anyhow).

Then we do not agree. They are what they are.