Throwing

[BoarSpear]

Ok, did I say anything was uncounterable?

But I'm pretty firmly convinced that no way in hell is a decent shot going to give you anywhere close to enough time to react in that manner.

I dont know did you?.........................

[treelizard]

http://www.psychpage.com/family/library/angry.html

[JkD187]

yep im back to post on this god forsaken thread again.....Boars still talkn his usual crap...Hardball i was quoting a police officer who said that then proceded to shoot himself......jubaji with the comebacks gotta love it.Boar dude i think you misunderstand what Ive been saying all along...i never said MMA was the best for the street....but it damn sure aint the worst.If you modify MMA for the streets by adding foul tactics such as gouges rips bites finger wrenchs etc etc and modify takedowns such as the double leg so your knees dont touch the ground....or use greco or judo to slam them cranium first on concrete(that might hurt) then you might have a very good empth hand system....you might not..it all depends on the individual.You use whats best for you because your a bouncer/soldier and i use whats best for me a civilian.....sure modiffied mma might not work for you based on real life exp and that cool...you use what you need for the job.....and i use what i need which is modified mma with some kali....but to dismiss MMA(which can be any art(s) as ineffective for another person is just dumb.Ive had to use my skills on the street a few times in one on one fights and ive been jumped twice...i escaped every one unharmed....but i did have ripped cloths a hella lot ....basically what im trying to say is that something that works for one person might not work for another...find what you think will servre you the best.

[jubaji]

I dont know did you?.........................

No, I certainly did not. I know you are a moron, but I thought that you could at least read.


...a little.

[jubaji]

Telling me that I don't know if it works is like telling someone who goes to a firing range regularly that they don't know they can kill a person with their gun because they've only ever shot paper targets; no it isn't the same thing but if they point their gun at you and pull the trigger it's still going to make a big bloody hole..

Does that mean you consider yourself to be like a gun?

See, guns are generally mass-produced instruments that can be expected to perform in a very predictable manner. People are not. People are individuals with strengths, weaknesses, fears, flaws, distractions, etc. People are not guns, so your analogy completely fails.

[Sagacious Lu]

Does that mean you consider yourself to be like a gun?

See, guns are generally mass-produced instruments that can be expected to perform in a very predictable manner. People are not. People are individuals with strengths, weaknesses, fears, flaws, distractions, etc. People are not guns, so your analogy completely fails.

You've completely missed the point of what I'm saying. No I'm not a gun, I'm a kung fu student, and not even a very experienced one; I've only been training a few years. My point is that I don't have to gouge someone's eyeball to know that it's going to hurt them if I do. Can I hit a given attacker on a given day with it? That depends entirely on the details of the situation. I sincerely hope I never find myself in a situation where I would need to try it. However, there isn't any doubt in my mind that a person, almost any person trained or otherwise, can do grave damage to an eyeball with their fingers if they really want to. That's why I study those techniques.

Hey, I'm still waiting to hear about that deadly wrestling technique that's still somehow legal

[JkD187]

You've completely missed the point of what I'm saying. No I'm not a gun, I'm a kung fu student, and not even a very experienced one; I've only been training a few years. My point is that I don't have to gouge someone's eyeball to know that it's going to hurt them if I do. Can I hit a given attacker on a given day with it? That depends entirely on the details of the situation. I sincerely hope I never find myself in a situation where I would need to try it. However, there isn't any doubt in my mind that a person, almost any person trained or otherwise, can do grave damage to an eyeball with their fingers if they really want to. That's why I study those techniques.

Hey, I'm still waiting to hear about that deadly wrestling technique that's still somehow legal

Eye gouges work great.....only if you have the delivery systems in all areas of fighting....an eye gouge itself will not finish a fight...its mostly used as a set up...people will not just stand there and let you dig your fingers into your eyes.If you cant fight at all and eye gouge someone you may be fairly successfull....but let someone know who has a base in stand up....clinch....ground fighting that he can bite and eye gouge you will have a completely different beast.If you are trapped under an experienced ground fighter and try to gouges his eyes out he will laugh at you and break your fingers and proceed to break stuff.Lets take a guy from a bar.....lets teach him how to eye gouge someone(im sure he knows how anyway)....now lets take a boxer and show him how to open his hand and strike the eyes.....now who do you think will have an advantage....the so called "streetfighrer" or the boxer.If you guessed boxer you are correct...why??? because the boxer has the footwork...body mechanics....offensive and defensive skills that have been practiced against many many people over and over again who hit back not just stand there doing nothing.This whole streetfighting thing is so played out....get your base in stand up...clinch...ground then just add the dirt.

[jubaji]

You've completely missed the point of what I'm saying. No I'm not a gun, I'm a kung fu student, and not even a very experienced one; I've only been training a few years. My point is that I don't have to gouge someone's eyeball to know that it's going to hurt them if I do. Can I hit a given attacker on a given day with it? That depends entirely on the details of the situation. I sincerely hope I never find myself in a situation where I would need to try it. However, there isn't any doubt in my mind that a person, almost any person trained or otherwise, can do grave damage to an eyeball with their fingers if they really want to. That's why I study those techniques.

But you'd prefer to bet your ass on something you've never done rather than something you've done thousands of times?

I think that perhaps the biggest problem with the strange confidence people have in things they've never done is that the times that they are most often invoked is in response to situations where they are at a disadvantage in regard to those things that have actually been done, or to obvious physical disadvantages. If you beat someone unconscious, I have no doubt that you could sit there and poke your fingers in his eyes all day long. But if that someone is superior to you in all the ways that lead up to 'unconscious', then I think that counting on something you've never actually done is a sucker's bet.

[Sagacious Lu]

But if that someone is superior to you in all the ways that lead up to 'unconscious', then I think that counting on something you've never actually done is a sucker's bet.

I think in any fight the chances are that the superior fighter will win. An eye gouge is not a magic bullet that can make a fighter invincible. It's just one valid technique among many that a balanced fighter needs to be aware of. If a sport fighter trains harder, or has more heart, or more natural ability he might very well defeat a MA despite the fact that the MA practices techniques that are too dangerous to use in a sport fight. As you said, it's the fighter that wins the fight, not the art or sport that the fighter learned his skills from. I only brought up eye gouges to illustrate the difference between sport fighting and martial arts.

[Tant01]

Nobody voted for Basic Hip throws in the Poll; yet CUENG LEE does them all of the time with great success in san shou tournament rules. What's up with that? Not one vote for a basic hip throw.??????????????????????????????????????

Good observation... Kinda funny really.