this coach/sensei is tough!

[gong fu]

.......oh, fer cryin' out loud.......................

what? if a strike is comming at me regrdless who its from, opponent/training partner/instructor/teacher im goign tod efend against it, what is wrong with this? i ahve trained under conditions like these many times, and the teacher expects you to defewnd against him, not just fall over and get hurt,


peace.

[kuk sool won]

You are seriously telling my you think that evading is a good idea, there is a very good reason for him doing it, if you blocked and striked him back no way would he ever train you. Its like if the teacher shouts at you, you don't then go shout at them back!!!!

[jubaji]

im goign tod efend against it, what is wrong with this? i ahve trained under conditions like these many times, and the teacher expects you to defewnd against him,
.

No, that's not what he expects.

[gong fu]

watered down,

when you take a style extract methods and stances from it, and produce a new style from it but leaving out vital stance holding and other fundemental methods,



i was training with a cage fighter a few days ago and he has been training for 30 years or so,

i am only 21 and he askes me "what is that your doing"
i said "horse stance, why?"
he said back to me "i have never heard of that teach me it quickly and what is so good about it"
i said back to him "ok copy my stance and hold it for aslong as you can while i time you"
he said back to me "alright here goes"


then he done it for 2 mins 40 seconds, and he has been training for 30 years,

he said back to me " wow that was hardwork howlong can you hold it for"

i said back to him "oh around 12-14 mins depends on ym condition that day"




that is what i mean by watered down and leaving out main fundemental simple methods, it happens with all of the modern styles they leave out some really good methods, and simple ones to like stance holding.

[gong fu]

No, that's not what he expects.

so if i defend against him what is he going to do strike me again? then i will just evadfe again and again, then maybe it can be called a "sparr" and thats what i would be int hat gym for int he first place, to sparr against hima nd test myself,


peace.

[gong fu]

You are seriously telling my you think that evading is a good idea, there is a very good reason for him doing it, if you blocked and striked him back no way would he ever train you. Its like if the teacher shouts at you, you don't then go shout at them back!!!!

well maybe he dosent like it, but my teachers and training partners expect you to defend yourself, and not just stand there liek a lemon, if my teachers want to hit me without me defending, then that would be called conditioning training, wich we do seperatly,

and no i would not shout back at my teachers, but they are never required to shout at me, as i am not a dissrespectfull student and i follow orders,


peace.

[jubaji]

watered down,

when you take a style extract methods and stances from it, and produce a new style from it but leaving out vital stance holding and other fundemental methods,



i was training with a cage fighter a few days ago and he has been training for 30 years or so,

i am only 21 and he askes me "what is that your doing"
i said "horse stance, why?"
he said back to me "i have never heard of that teach me it quickly and what is so good about it"
i said back to him "ok copy my stance and hold it for aslong as you can while i time you"
he said back to me "alright here goes"


then he done it for 2 mins 40 seconds, and he has been training for 30 years,

he said back to me " wow that was hardwork howlong can you hold it for"

i said back to him "oh around 12-14 mins depends on ym condition that day"




that is what i mean by watered down and leaving out main fundemental simple methods, it happens with all of the modern styles they leave out some really good methods, and simple ones to like stance holding.

Well that little fairy-tale aside, it seems that by "watered down" you mean "different training".

Would you walk in to a boxing gym and declare it watered down if you didn't see people doing horse stances?

[jubaji]

so if i defend against him what is he going to do strike me again? .

No, he's gonna beat the hell out of you. And then the rest of the students who know enough to take it like a man and carry on are really gonna beat the hell out of you.


I thought you thought you were a traditionalist?

[gong fu]

No, he's gonna beat the hell out of you. And then the rest of the students who know enough to take it like a man and carry on are really gonna beat the hell out of you.


I thought you thought you were a traditionalist?

i train the old way, i train the modern way, i train any way that improves my skills, but i see alot of modern fighters neglecting the old ways that work well, and i also see some traditional fighters neglect the modern ways, i didnt say anything about boxers by the way,

i was training with a cage fighter in bethnal green, and he is a mixed martial artist, he trains in many styles, and as he trained in many fighting styles the people that taught him neglected to tell him fundementals of the old ways,


why do you take it as an insult, when all i am doing is stating somethign thats true,


and yeah if he wanted to kick my ass thats fine with me, but he would be a fool to think it will eb as easy as when he thrust kicked his rookie student to the mat,

if i lsoe so be it i would have learned something, and as for his students beating my ass that is interesting, i hope it goes well for them,

peace.

[jubaji]

i was training with a cage fighter in bethnal green, and he is a mixed martial artist, he trains in many styles, and as he trained in many fighting styles the people that taught him neglected to tell him fundementals of the old ways,

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They didn't "neglect" anything. He received 'different' training.

[jubaji]

why do you take it as an insult, when all i am doing is stating somethign thats true,
.

Ok, you're an idiot.

[jubaji]

and yeah if he wanted to kick my ass thats fine with me, but he would be a fool to think it will eb as easy as when he thrust kicked his rookie student to the mat,.

Yeah, you're a badass. A badass still missing the point.

[jubaji]

and as for his students beating my ass that is interesting, i hope it goes well for them.

I'm very, very sure it would. Say, maybe that's what's missing from your training.

[gong fu]

They didn't "neglect" anything. He received 'different' training.

yes and that training has probably come from china if you search its roots, and has evolved and been changed, and to alot of extent watered down, like bruce lee look what he did to traditional styles, he watered them down,

why is watered down seen as an insult when its true, just like when a jamaican guy comes and lives over in the uk for 30 years, his accent might "water down", maybe it is seen as an insult because im saying your taking a good way of training, plucking out some important factors and teaching the fighting side only.


ok say someone is bieng taught jeet kun do, and someone is bieng taught eagles claw, the one using jkd will learn how to perform strikes faster than the guy learning eagle claw, but as the jkd guy is leaping straight into advanced combat methods and strikign etc, the eagles claw student is learning to condition his body for the strikes to come, while he is in horse stance every day conditioning his whole body strength and posture, give him time and he will become alot stronger than the guy who went straight into learning how to strike in advanced ways, but his body isnt fully conditioned for the power needed for real powerful blows,


and like i said i train modern and old, combining both and cross training is the best way for me. let me ask you a question please,

do you use stance holding and forms in your training?. is if so you are familiar with horse stance maybe? howlong can you hold horse stance for? i am just curious, and howmany years have you been training for?.



peace,

[jubaji]

why is watered down seen as an insult when its true,

Ok, you are a sorry excuse for a human being. Don't be insulted, its just true.