I JUST WANNA ASK About the differences about JUJITSU

[akio123]

Question is this what's the difference between japanese and the brazilian JUJUTSU...we all know jujutsu came from japan why is that brazilian has there own art like this? do they try to develop or make some new techniques

[blitz]

Brazilian Jiu-jitsu - Combines realistic approach with live training. Includes the most extensive ground game, some takedowns, clinch with minimal striking. In the long-run, you form your own conclusions as to what works for you.

Japanese Jujitsu - Traditional and hypothetical approach to fighting. Training involves pre-arranged fighting scenarios, kicks, punches, joint locks, with limited ground work. Lacks live sparring in many instances.

I took this from an old thread. Also you might want to look at this there are a couple of good posts: http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...ead.php?t=4257
Maybe you should ask hardball about Japanese jujitsu.

[blitz]

The three major differences of BJJ and JJJ are as follows.

1.Techniques:The techniques of jjj are meant to be a complete system,Which means it includes strikes,grappling,throwing,controlling and arresting,weapons offense and defense,self defense,killing or crippling techniques,locks and so on and so forth.Most of these techniques require excellent fine motor functions which are hard to apply under pressure,i.e:threading a needle after running a mile,While the techniques of bjj are mostly takedowns and ground controling and finishing holds.Most bjj techniques are high percentage moves which use gross motor functions which are much easier to apply under pressure,i.e:running away from someone chasing you.

2.Training Method:This is where the two arts are really seperated in terms of effectiveness and realism.JJJ's training method is to train in kata's and one and two step sparring to learn combat moves in very telegraphed ways.There is no resistance on the other persons part and therefor no one gains functional skills in all areas of fighting but rather just an assortment of techniques for demo purposes.BJJ's training method is to train with an uncooperative opponent and sparring with someone who is actually traying to beat you as well.From this type of training under resistance...timing...energy and motion real skills that can be used under pressure are honed in battle fit weapons.

3.Stragety:JJJ's stragety is to go with the flow of combat,Your opponents move is your move,Counter whatever he brings to the table....however this is a very hard thing to do if you do not have the attributes for combat trained from resistance training which is why many people view JJJ as ineffective for this day and age.BJJ's stragety however is a systamitic approach that can be used in every battle...every time.The stragety is to bypass the striking range and go into the clinch range,From the clinch range look to take your opponent down and flow into a dominant position on the ground to apply strikes and the finishing hold to end the fight.The big difference in stragety is that most of the time going with the flow means you must be in a defensive mode which is not so good for self-defense,Also the self defense techniques of JJJ use scenarios in which you must execute technique after technique in a pattern to stop something just a simple punch.In real combat fights involve movement and it would be very hard to apply those techniques when a person is resiting and trying to hit you back.BJJ's stragety is to bypass the striking range by whatever way you can based on the situation,their is no set tecnique but rather just attributes like timing,speed and power.In the clinch range its the same takedown the opponent by using whatever is there....a hip toss...single leg...double leg etc etc.On the ground it is yet again the same look for whatever technique is open and take it to finish the fight,Nothing is ever telegraphed everything is based on science of simplicity and movement.

In conclusion JJJ can gain alot by the training method of BJJ by injecting realism in the art and BJJ can learn from JJJ's concept of the complete fighter....bolth can be deadly arts,all it depends on is how the art is trained...who it is trained under and how good the people training are..

Here's a post by JKD187 >_>

[gabbah]

What I'm wondering about is this:
Is the training METHOD used actually a part of an art? The alternative is that only the theory about the techniques are in the art, and some concepts, but perhaps not always the METHOD of training?

Of course, an art may have an unwritten tradition of how it is trained, that is passed on from teacher to student simply because the student gets so used to training in that particular way. But is it that method really a part of that art per se?

[akio123]

wow guys!

gee thx for sharing ur knowledge about the 2 JJ

[aseepish]

What I'm wondering about is this:
Is the training METHOD used actually a part of an art? The alternative is that only the theory about the techniques are in the art, and some concepts, but perhaps not always the METHOD of training?

Of course, an art may have an unwritten tradition of how it is trained, that is passed on from teacher to student simply because the student gets so used to training in that particular way. But is it that method really a part of that art per se?

Imagine Muay Thai without the training method. No Thai pads. No heavy bag. Just kata and one-step sparring.

[Hardball]

I took this from an old thread. Also you might want to look at this there are a couple of good posts: http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...ead.php?t=4257
Maybe you should ask hardball about Japanese jujitsu.

It all depends on the background of the Head Instructor.

For instance my instructor had a Judo and TKD background thus we had a lot of throws and randori material.

Anyone who says JJJ doesn't have ground work, really is mis-informed. We did a lot of ground work including the guard, mount and escapes from the guard.

Since my instructor has a tkd background standup sparring was common. My instructor like to train by the seasons--as the four seasons come and go the emphasis on training changes. We learned a lot of techniques that were NOT required for belt promotion but used to supplement training.

I spent 3 1/2 years going through the 4 levels of Brown Belt and then once I was eligible to test for Black I had to take 3 written test (take home) an oral exam and a rigorous 6 hour test. I had to do pushups and situps all day during, after and before almost every technique. We were required to spar 3 black belts at the end of the test and not allowed to stop until we had an outer body experience. JJJ is not for everyone because the uke part is ruffhouse. In my opinion it does not matter what style you study as long as you get your Black Belt in one style then branch out and cross train in other styles. I was not interested in tournament or professional fighting; just self defense, thus JJJ was right for me. I had already spent time in TKD, Shotokan and wing chun. My body was built for JJJ.

[akio123]

gee hardball

gee hard ball you really train hard for that!!!

[kuk sool won]

The two examples barely contains informative differences between the two arts, its basically two people opinion resulting in the supiority of BJJ, he wanted to know the differences not your opinion on them.

[Hardball]

The two examples barely contains informative differences between the two arts, its basically two people opinion resulting in the supiority of BJJ, he wanted to know the differences not your opinion on them.

There are so many threads here on that topic--all you have to do is use the search function.

[Tant01]

Do your homework.

Question is this what's the difference between japanese and the brazilian JUJUTSU...we all know jujutsu came from japan why is that brazilian has there own art like this? do they try to develop or make some new techniques

The techniques and training methods of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu come from the Kodokan Judo institute via Madea, a Kodokan blackbelt.

BJJ is Judo newaza (grappling on the mat). See; Kosen Judo...


Ju-Jutsu links...

http://judoinfo.com/jhist5.htm

http://judoinfo.com/judohistory.htm

[Bushidokan]

Brazilian and Japanese Jujutsu

Question is this what's the difference between japanese and the brazilian JUJUTSU...we all know jujutsu came from japan why is that brazilian has there own art like this? do they try to develop or make some new techniques

Yes, you are right. Japan is where Jujutsu started, but when the art made its way to Brazil it did what everything else in our world does when it evolved...it changed. It changed not only fromm evolution but also to fit Brazilian society, not Japanese.

[Tant01]

It's Ju-Do!

Yes, you are right. Japan is where Jujutsu started, but when the art made its way to Brazil it did what everything else in our world does when it evolved...it changed. It changed not only fromm evolution but also to fit Brazilian society, not Japanese.

PHUI.... BJJ came from JUDO. If Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu came from Jujutsu then show me the lineage to the Japanese Ryu Ha it came from!


As I said, PHUI!! You can't!

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Amen Tant, i actually posted a thread not to long ago posing my argument that BJJ be renamed Brazilian Judo