Spinning in (JUDO)

[danfaggella]

I like Judo a lot, unfortinutely I don't use a gi very much, actually, I almost never do. However, I love judo stuff and I want to work it into my no-gi grappling. I use underhooks in the clinch a lot and I've been trying to use O-Goshi in wrestling lately but I feel like I don't have the right kind of spin in. Any tips on spinning in or o-goshi in general?

[Hardball]

Are you talking about judo free sparring or uke/tori practice? I like ogoshi with a pile drive................go in and kuzushi with strikes or a lightning move and spin into the ogoshi. We have foot drills that help with setting up the throws.

[danfaggella]

I can throw him when hes just STANDING there, but I'm tlaking about pulling it off in a match, any tips on doings so (how to spin in, how to set it up, ect.........)

[Hardball]

I can throw him when hes just STANDING there, but I'm tlaking about pulling it off in a match, any tips on doings so (how to spin in, how to set it up, ect.........)

Infinity to lightning to uke goshi. What that means is to kuzushi him in one direction then with lightning speed go for the ogoshi in the other direction. You may be better off going for uke goshi which is a half hip throw.. Half hip throws are much easier to pull off in combat. If you are in a match be sure to pile drive him so that he breaks your fall and you knock the fight out of him. (ie. ground fight)

Does that help?

[danfaggella]

Thanks yeah it does. Can you go over the UKE GOSHI a bit more, though? I'm interested in pulling it off in grappling.

[Hardball]

Any full hip throw can be turned into an uke goshi. O goshi is a throw with your arm around your enemys waist with a full hip toss. If you are doing the same throw with uke goshi, you don't worry about the full hip; it's more of a famthom hip or bulldog style throw. In other words, for example, with a full ogoshi your enemy may go 6 feet in the air from the throw, but with uke goshi he may only go 2 feet in the air because it is half hip. The damage is done with the speed of the throw and the fact that you are going to pile drive him. ( Pile drive in the judo sense means to throw all of your body weight into the throw and land on top of your enemy. He breaks your fall) It is very nasty.

[Tant01]

Hint w/ pics...

I like Judo a lot, unfortinutely I don't use a gi very much, actually, I almost never do. However, I love judo stuff and I want to work it into my no-gi grappling. I use underhooks in the clinch a lot and I've been trying to use O-Goshi in wrestling lately but I feel like I don't have the right kind of spin in. Any tips on spinning in or o-goshi in general?

So don't... Spin that is. Throw a knee at his abdomen and step behind his weighted foot to trip him. Or, throw a knee and turn in for your hip throw... (O goshi)

Creates some space for your torso but you must never lose control of his upper body. Pull his center of balance toward yourself (first) and go in as he tries to re center himself. (stepping forward) It's a timing problem (I think)...If he tries to go backward then you trip him with Osoto Gari

http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ogoshi.htm

Pay attention to the blue (uke) stepping (left leg) being jamed (blocked) of it's forward movement by Tori's butt to off balance to the front. Kuzushi is subtle but important!

Osoto>>http://judoinfo.com/images/animation.../osotogari.htm

[danfaggella]

I like Osoto as well, I'm going to try to pull that off with no Gi as well.

[Hardball]

I like Osoto as well, I'm going to try to pull that off with no Gi as well.

Osoto is so basic yet it will work on anybody, anysize. I like Osoto with a clothesline strike to a pile drive but I would not do that on any Uke or dojo member..................

[Mdrnsamurai]

With no Gi I would be careful using Osoto Gari. If done incorrectly it can be countered easily. Ko Soto Gake is a really excellent Take Down in the same spirit as Osoto Gari.

Train Hard

Good Luck, Stay Safe

[danfaggella]

Aw man, I can't wait to get sick at throws and trips. I never want to shoot for takedowns again, Gi or not.

Time to read up on my Greco......

[sirmattu]

first of all quit looking at it as a spin

[Tant01]

Then what?

first of all quit looking at it as a spin

That's it?

Why? If there is a "first of all" there should be something else. Like the rest of all?

Explain it to me....

[Britt]

A common mistake in O-Goshi (that I myself am frequently guilty of) is too wide a stance when you're getting your hips under Uke. You have to bring your feet in closer together than you might feel used to; you feel like you need to get underneath the guy so there's a tendency to try to go into a wide horse stance, which lacks power and runs the risk of dropping Uke on your bent knee instead of throwing him over your hip. Your feet should be closer together and your hips driving up as you throw, all in one fluid movement. The judoinfo page also has live video footage clips that I really like:

http://judoinfo.com/gokyo1.htm