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Hikage,
I'm still having a hard time wrapping my mind around your explanation of why guys get super timid when training with women. If it really is because they are secretly attracted to the women they train with (instead of them worrying about hurting women because we're so weak and fragile) then how come guys that aren't even straight do this too? And how come guys that I've dated before we started training together don't act like that? In fact I'd say that they made the best training partners and were way harder on me than most of the guys I have to talk into aiming for my face when the target is my face....
Hey liz if you have noticed that people who have spent more time around you are more likely to be willing to punch you in the face, maybe you oughta take a hint.
I see your point though, Hardball. If you win against a girl what's the big deal, you just beat a girl, and if you lost, you lost to a girl. Seems like a lose-lose situation for the guy.
In training though I just wanna be good enough to give the guys I train with a good workout... Well actually, I want to be able to tap out guys 30 lbs heavier than me but if I can't I'm not going to get too upset. I realize I'll have to work a heckuva lot harder and be better technically for that to happen.
I see your point though, Hardball. If you win against a girl what's the big deal, you just beat a girl, and if you lost, you lost to a girl. Seems like a lose-lose situation for the guy.
In training though I just wanna be good enough to give the guys I train with a good workout... Well actually, I want to be able to tap out guys 30 lbs heavier than me but if I can't I'm not going to get too upset. I realize I'll have to work a heckuva lot harder and be better technically for that to happen.
In the book of 5 rings by Miyamoto Mushashi, he says. " The way of the warrior is practice, daily practice, accumulate practice minute by minute, hour by hour and day by day."
You are definitely on the right track to martial arts excellence. Over the years I have sparred or rolled with as many different bodies as I could find.
I have to wonder whether this thing, whatever it is, that makes guys wanna take it easy on women in training... whether that could be tapped into somehow in real-life self-defense. My guess is that it depends on the BG, and that most of them it probably wouldn't even really matter, but I've read (was it in On Killing, I don't remember) how much harder it is for people to kill someone when they actually see them, how dehumanizing someone makes it easier to seriously hurt them.)
I guess this thought hasn't had any practical real-life application for me, except that I'm much less likely to avoid eye contact than I used to be.
Hey liz if you have noticed that people who have spent more time around you are more likely to be willing to punch you in the face, maybe you oughta take a hint.
Ha ha, it's because people who know me know that I will block or slip or parry. They also know that I will tap out when necessary or tell 'em when I need a break. Plus they know if they hit me it's my fault, if I hit them it's their fault, etc.
Nice try, though. Are you planning on contributing anything of value to the discussion, or just continue to act like a third grader?
(My apologies to other third graders reading this.)
I never saw this thread...but now that I have...I'll respond to the 1st post.
Man...I remember a couple instances when I've been training with somebody (both cases these people were bigger than me) and later their instructor (one of my peers, whom I greatly respect) has come to me and told me that I was going to hard. I am 20, these guys are older, larger, and I guarantee you in much better shape than me. If my friend didn't point this out to me, I would have never, NEVER thought that I was going hard on them, since the force I delivered seemed to be the same as what they were giving me.
I try to replicate the energy so it's on the same level. I have been places where sparring is balls to the wall, and I have been places where the emphasis is more on technique, including isolating a particular tool set and temporarily disregarding the rest. (i.e. just leg kicks)
The two times that stand out the most;
an Eric Paulson seminar wherein a larger guy complained (not to me) that I was kicking too hard. (I wasn't trying to...I thought I was kicking as hard as he was, very relaxed and focusing more on distance and angle instead of power). He told me off in a sorta subtle way, and after this we did some sparring in a ring, in which this guy's instructor (as well as a damn good technician in thai boxing), a peer of mine, proceeded to try and take my head off with kicks...forcing me to step up my pressure and further prove his point making me look like an asshole...I still didn't hit as hard as I used to at a previous gym, because I don't believe that to be a helpful way to train.
I love this guy...but I don't think that's the way to deal with it. If the guy whom I had initially been working with had told me...I would've gone softer...I'm not trying to be competitive, I'm trying to match my partner, and usually I get paired with goofballs at seminars, so I look forward to seeing how to step around with a good fighter or technician.
2nd Instance;
My Instructor of several years called made up a nickname for me, "Gentle G"
I thought he was referring to my (you guys won't believe this one) meekness in and outside of his class, and attention to paying respects (at seminars I often stand in wai position and say sir after everything to everyone)....
but when the rest of the group laughed and snickered comments about me actually hurting them in class...I shrunk. I don't want to be seen as that sort of partner...I want to train with people in class, not have them avoid me. I felt like an asshole, but I also felt a bit betrayed, as if my fly had been down for the past however many years I'd been training with these guys...and nobody had said anything.
Point is- TELL THE PERSON nicely they're going to hard (not jump into them immediatly for being too competitive, or agressive), because they might not know...and if you go hard, expect a similar kick, if somebody kicks me hard, then soft, I'll go hard then soft...I try to keep an eye on distance, angle, and rythm more than anything else...so if they go hard, I figure it's okay to match their pressure, not go over it...but apparentlybeing kicked can hurt (if it's an exchange...I'm being kicked too, so...am I just handling it better, or what?)
Often now, I'll go about 40% and ask if it's okay...and adjust it from there, some people want more pressure, some want less.
Thanks Garland... Yeah, it's really hard to find the perfect balance.
I think the reason I have a hard time telling guys when they go too hard is because they usually go way too soft... What if I tell someone they're going too hard and then they never go hard again? I guess on some level (ego maybe) I would rather they go too hard than too soft so I can see how much I can put up with, lol.
I think my other problem is that I often second-guess myself when I'm in class and if I think something, and somebody tells me something else, my reaction is usually to say, "Oh! Okay! Got it!" Later I find out I was right in the first place...
I know communicating is important, but since I constantly have things going through my mind it's hard for me to tell sometimes which are the important ones, and I don't want to point out every little thing... it's so hard to find good training situations!!!
But I did find this great and relevant articles on 24FightingChickens. I'm not into karate anymore but Robert is just so articulate and his articles are so damn good I think they apply to SD in general.
Just got the MRI read today. Torn Lateral Meniscus. Any knowledgeble or experienced comments welcome. No need to post info from an internet site, I already did the research. Just looking to hear first hand experiences. Thanks in advance.
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