Japanese Martial Arts

[jubaji]

Seriously, it could work. Couldn't it?

Everyone already knows you're an idiot kid, don't belabor the point.

[Uke]

I suppose it depends on which particular Ryu you claim to be a master of...

Karatedo is a product of the 20th century. Chi Na is from China.

SHIN NO SHINDO

Early school of jujutsu believed to have been founded by Yamamoto Tamizeemon, of the Osaka police, during theTokugawa era (1600-1867); he added other techniques, especially those of immobilization, to the repertoire of the yoshin ryu school. Shin-no-shindo is one of the two arts combined to form the tenilnshinyo school of jujutsu.

SOSUISHITSU RYU

Variation of Takenouchi ryu jujutsu, this branch of jujutsu was reputedly founded by a samurai named Fugatami Hannosuke in 1650. Fugatami, after a period of purification in the Yoshino mountains, named his method after the "pure flowing waters" of the Yoshino River. He taught it to Shitama Mataichi, members of whose family, whether by direct lineage or by adoption, appear to have been masters of this art for centuries. Eventually, their school joined Jlgoro Kano's successful synthesis of "ju" arts, called judo.

SUMAI

One system of Japanese unarmed techniques was Sumai, that developed out of what we now know as Sumo. It was more than merely a system of unarmed wrestling techniques, and probably was similar to many mixed martial arts and no holds barred fighting systems so popular today, as this account from the Nihon Shoki ("Chronicles of Japan," an historical record commissioned by the imperial family in 720 A.D.) demonstrates:

"It is recorded during the reign of the emperor Suinin in the year 23 B.C. Taema no Kuehaya (who was described as a noble of great strength and stature) fought Nomi no Sukune of Izumo province. During the course of this ferocious battle Nomi delivered a monstrous kick to the ribs of Taema (breaking them) and knocking him down. Nomi then finished him with a bone crushing stomp on Taema's hip. An injury Taema would die from a day later."

In the interm sumo played no small part in the martial development of Japan, and eventually received imperial patronage (during the Nara period 710 to 794 A.D.). Although many of its techniques were be known by imperial officials and military men, Sumai was not the type of combat method which directly lent itself to deal with the rapidly evolving and improving methods of combat, such as the armored sword wielding adversary. It did, however, likely provide a suitable platform for modification, and no doubt inspired the art of Yoroi Kumi Uchi (grappling in armor).

TAKENOUCHI RYU JUJUTSU

Form of jujutsu founded by Toichiro Takouchi (aka Hisamori Takenouchi) in the 16th century. He studied a number of different combat systems, from which he formed his own style, stressing immobilization techniques, as well as those of close combat with daggers. His style soon developed a large following and was taught for many generations.


UCHIDA RYU

Uchida Ryu Tanjojutsu or "Sutteki-jutsu" as the word stick is pronounced in Japanese is known as the walking stick art and emerged during the Meiji era when walking canes were in vogue. Uchida, Ryogoro included "sutteki-jutsu" into the Shindo Muso Ryu

YAWARA RYU

Yawara Ryu takes its name from the terms used to describe meekness (Yawara Gi), Pacifier (Yawara Ge), and the Japanese character Yawara which can mean gentle or pliable, or can be used as a noun to describe grappling with weapons or unarmed combat. The school teaches a complete system, with a coherent methodology applied to both its armed and unarmed techniques. The principles and techniques of the system are founded on those previously tried and tested on the battlefield during the armed conflicts throughout Japanese history. From these, Ryu gi (sects or systems) developed differing methods or schools, each placing different emphasis on one aspect or another of the fighting arts. All, however, had one aim borne out of the Jutsu tradition, to provide an effective and direct way of dispatching an antagonist whether by killing or subduing him. What better "Melting Pot" or testing ground than this could exist for a combat self defence system to develop.

Yawara Ryu can trace its line of development back to the traditional Ryu which taught a large number of Sciences or Jutsu, but tended to specialise in one or two areas of study; thus students studied both armed and unarmed techniques....

Hey dude ... nice that you could find an article to post here. But that wasn't the issue. The issue was that you thought you could get cute, and found out that if you had asked what I was referring to instead of being a punk about it we could have cleared the issue up.

Since we're in the spirit of sharing, the word "karate" initially comes from the Okinawan pronunciation of the Chinese characters "kara", referring to China itself from the Chinese Tang dynasty, and "te" meaning hand. The meaning, then, was "Chinese hand" or "Tang hand" or “Chinese fist” or "Chinese techniques": "Tang hand" in the sense of "Tang boxing" from the Chinese Tang dynasty or by extension, "Chinese hand" reflecting the Chinese influence on the style. In 1933, following Japan's invasion of eastern China in the period 1931-33, Gichin Funakoshi in Japan (known as the father of modern karate) changed the "kara" character in "karate" to a homonym denoting "emptiness". Some schools of the Okinawan martial art known as Karate have traditional stories delineating their Shaolin origins. The Goju Ryu and Uechi Ryu styles have even adopted as their foundational kata the San Chian routine of Fujian martial arts. Martial arts traditions in Japan, Korea and Vietnam cite Chinese influence as transmitted by monks.

Chin Na predates jujitsu. Chinese Fist predates Karate. As they were taken from their chinese roots, they were classified according to their range, as jujitsu as a system did not yet even exist yet. Each clan just had a collection of techniques that they practiced. The "ryu's" you listed did not even exist at that point. Once people began picking and choosing what it was that they wanted in their school, techniques from all different ranges became known as "systems" or ryu.

But every range was practiced by itself at one point. When they spoke of masters of grappling, they were talking about a man who was a pure grappler. Throws, chokes, joint breaks and manipulations, escapes and masters of balance and the center of gravity and upsetting it. There were no submissions then. They dedicated their entire lives to perfecting grappling as an art. Now on the battlefield, you did what you had to do. But warriors then like warriors today or anytime for that matter mostly improvised in real life or death situations. Practicing is just so you understand how a technique works. When your ass is on the line, you do what you do and 9 times out of 10 it ain't gonna pretty like when you practiced it.

So could they have thrown a strike? Of course under those conditions. Is it likely when armor is being worn and sword are in play? Very unlikely. Weapons were the thing of the day, and if you know anything about that era, wars and duels were fought with mostly edged weapons. But after reading some things on this forum, I wouldn't be surprised if some people here wouldn't try to put a samurai in their guard even though he had a tanto.

[Uke]

double post

[Uke]

Everyone already knows you're an idiot kid, don't belabor the point.

Yeah, I'm the idiot. An you're the wise sage who has yet to write anything about martial arts on a martial arts forum. You have about as much experience in combat as you do with women. Which makes it clear why you're always frustrated and ready to argue on an internet forum about anything but the subject matter. If you need attention so badly that you are willing to come here but won't discuss martial arts or self defense, then you're a waste of time.

I am here to discuss martial arts, and that's what I do. I write something and several people respond and ask questions. Most of my dialogue is civil and intelligent. I have NEVER seen anyone ask you anything as your time spent here is worthless. I know you're a fan of mine as no matter the topic or thread I write on, you're always right there to comment on something I've written, and you don't buy the subscription unless you really like the mag.

Go learn something about martial arts before you post again so you don't waste everybody else's time. I don't care if its just going out and getting your ass whupped. Know something relevant before you litter the topics with your cries for attention.

Oh and FYI ... beating your meat doesn't count as combat experience

[jubaji]

Yeah, I'm the idiot.

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Correct.

[jubaji]

quit while you're behind, punk

If you need attention so badly

Who needs to know their history? Do you even know about what I just wrote? Do you even know what chin na is? Did you know it is where jujitsu came from? Do you know that chin na means "seize and grab"? I doubt it.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...who is begging for attention?

[Tai Chi Fighter]

Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu.