Wristlocks

[Hardball]

Have you ever used one in unarmed combat? Do you think they are mainly for use by Law Enforcement and Corrections Officers?

I know Royce Gracie once submitted someone with a wristlock but I don't think I've ever seen anyone else use one.

All locks are breaks. What are you feelings/opinions on this?

[jubaji]

When someone is truly going apeshit - with no hesitation or mitigation of aggression due to a realization that they are surrounded by authority figures with weapons and that they are just making it worse for themselves anyway - I wouldn't bet on them as determining factors. They can be a way to get some sadistic pleasure out of hurting someone you already have positional dominance over, but in and of themselves they are most dramatically effective in demos and against uber-compliant students.

[mellow]

Have you ever used one in combat? Do you think they are mainly for use by Law Enforcement and Corrections Officers?

The LEO tactics that I've seen always use them in conjunction with other techniques. Without proper setup and positioning wristlocks are worst than useless. The aren't game changing magical silver bullets.

I know Royce Gracie once submitted someone with a wristlock but I don't think I've ever seen anyone else use one.

Royce Gracie versus Akebono

Notice that Gracie had control of both sides of the joint. This is crucial to getting the lock.

All locks are breaks. What are you feelings/opinions on this?

Yup. They are practiced as 'locks' for safety reasons.

[Tant01]

Another good question...

Have you ever used one in combat? Do you think they are mainly for use by Law Enforcement and Corrections Officers?

I know Royce Gracie once submitted someone with a wristlock but I don't think I've ever seen anyone else use one.

All locks are breaks. What are you feelings/opinions on this?

Perhaps you should define "combat"? They don't seem like much of a priority if you have a squad of men shooting at you or launching rpgs...

I've used wristlock style techniques to strip things out of someone's hand. They tend to let go rather than suffer trauma. I've used wrist locks against gripping and as a method of getting an elbow (or shoulder) lock. I think it's a good thing for transitional ("lock-flow") or combination locking. I've used a wristlock with an arm drag (like) throw with circular foot work to take them to the deck in a small space.

What else? it's a good distraction for sweeps. Hapkido guys are good with wrist locks.

Too bad they're illegal in randori....

[Hardball]

Perhaps you should define "combat"? They don't seem like much of a priority if you have a squad of men shooting at you or launching rpgs...

I've used wristlock style techniques to strip things out of someone's hand. They tend to let go rather than suffer trauma. I've used wrist locks against gripping and as a method of getting an elbow (or shoulder) lock. I think it's a good thing for transitional ("lock-flow") or combination locking. I've used a wristlock with an arm drag (like) throw with circular foot work to take them to the deck in a small space.

What else? it's a good distraction for sweeps. Hapkido guys are good with wrist locks.

Too bad they're illegal in randori....

I went back and edited that to read "Unarmed Combat"

You list some good ideas here!!

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

this thread hasnt been done before........

[Clubber Lang]

The only time I've found them useful is against "the mouth" i.e. the guy who is giving it the talk but you know doesn't want to fight, so going in with major tools is innapropriate. Putting a good wristlock on just does enough to hurt him, drop him, embarrass him, and take the wind out of his sails. The technique itself is not as important as how you set it up, that's about distraction and slight of hand.

Its a niche technique, and as jubaji says against any real threat then just forget it. But it has a time and a place, and on the few occassions it has been aapropriate to use it, I have found it ends the situation without anyone getting hurt.

[JadeDragon]

Yes, I have used one while escorting a drunken customer out of the bar/pub. I used a chin na hold by bending the pinkie finger backward and trapping thier elbow in the pocket where my elbow bends. Don't know the exact name of the chin na hold though. It worked and the customer was removed without any real problems. He did try to punch but when he did I just bent the finger back a little more and he forgot the idea of punching real quick....lol.

[jubaji]

Then he didn't really want to punch you all that badly.

[JadeDragon]

Then he didn't really want to punch you all that badly.

Not unless he wanted his finger snapped off. I gaurantee you if I had you in this chin na hold you wouldn't hit me either. And if you did I also gaurantee you wouldn't have a finger. I'll take a hit in exchange for ripping your finger off and having the bone pop through the skin where your finger joins your hand.

[Clubber Lang]

Not unless he wanted his finger snapped off. I gaurantee you if I had you in this chin na hold you wouldn't hit me either. And if you did I also gaurantee you wouldn't have a finger. I'll take a hit in exchange for ripping your finger off and having the bone pop through the skin where your finger joins your hand.

You say it like its something to be impressed by. In the establishments where I worked, if you injured a client to that degree you would know about it from both the law and your employer. I don't think that level of damage is a sound strategy, its also not something to glamourise.

If I learned one thing, its that violence is horrible, and I hope I don't see it again.

[jubaji]

Not unless he wanted his finger snapped off. I gaurantee you if I had you in this chin na hold you wouldn't hit me either. And if you did I also gaurantee you wouldn't have a finger. I'll take a hit in exchange for ripping your finger off and having the bone pop through the skin where your finger joins your hand.

That's a load of bull. I've had every finger broken kid, several more than once (had part of one bitten off as well). I know what it feels like and if I wanted to hit you, you'd be hit (for starters).

As for ripping the finger off entirely....

That guy didn't want to hit anyone all that badly, was not interested in feeling pain, and knew that even if he did lay you out he would most likely be set upon by several other bouncers and have even more of the trouble he didn't really want in the first place. If things worked out well for you in that situation, great. Leave it at that.

[JadeDragon]

You say it like its something to be impressed by. In the establishments where I worked, if you injured a client to that degree you would know about it from both the law and your employer. I don't think that level of damage is a sound strategy, its also not something to glamourise.

If I learned one thing, its that violence is horrible, and I hope I don't see it again.

And by your previous post you make it sound like it's not possible to do this. I don't need to impress anybody, especially you. I don't even know you.

I also wasn't trying to glamourize anything. Here in Kentucky (Lexington) you are able to use just enough force to escort the patron out of the establishment. This means that if he resists you may use just a little more than him to escort him out. If he fights more than you can use more. Once outside the establishment is a duifferent story. Then your on your own BUT as long as your inside the bar the law is on your side (if your an employee of that bar and trying to keep the peace).

[JadeDragon]

That's a load of bull. I've had every finger broken kid, several more than once (had part of one bitten off as well). I know what it feels like and if I wanted to hit you, you'd be hit (for starters).

As for ripping the finger off entirely....

That guy didn't want to hit anyone all that badly, was not interested in feeling pain, and knew that even if he did lay you out he would most likely be set upon by several other bouncers and have even more of the trouble he didn't really want in the first place. If things worked out well for you in that situation, great. Leave it at that.

First of all I'm not a kid. Second of all you can stop with the eye rolling. Third of all if you hit me it would feel like a little b!tch hit me. And lastly.......

[Clubber Lang]

I don't need to impress anybody, especially you. I don't even know you.

No one on here knows anyone, we are all taken on what we type. You typed something, I expressed an opinion on it, and you've got all touchy and defensive.

From my experience, the way you write about these things doesn't come across like a man who has been on the front line, you sound like a kid passing himself off as someone else.