Bujinkan Ninjutsu, Good, Bad ,Innefective?

[Lazylycanthrope]

Okay, Hey ya'll
I've been browsing the forum and seen a lot of Btt bashing, But what is Btt really all about?
I am hoping for a serious discusion on the matter, so no Real Ultimate Power jokes, funny as they may be, I want real knowledge and serious deiscusion. Please express your opinions below.
Thanks

[Szczepankiewicz]

Ask some serious questions, you'll get serious responses.

And welcome to the forum.

[Lazylycanthrope]

Allright, first topic up for debate:

Hanbo form? What exactly makes it Different from JoJutsu, or Bo jutsu For that matter? If any one has information I would be interested.
Thanks

[Szczepankiewicz]

Beats me man.

Anyone got an answer??? A real answer.

[RobertG]

Re: Bujinkan Ninjutsu, Good, Bad ,Innefective?

Originally posted by Lazylycanthrope
Okay, Hey ya'll
I've been browsing the forum and seen a lot of Btt bashing, But what is Btt really all about?
I am hoping for a serious discusion on the matter, so no Real Ultimate Power jokes, funny as they may be, I want real knowledge and serious deiscusion. Please express your opinions below.
Thanks

What is Btt? And I've posted plenty of real knowledge and serious discussion about ninjas. They aren't real, never were.

Now Bunjikan might be good, and someone could convince me of that. But lets not get hung up on a discussion of the reality of ninjas.

[Lazylycanthrope]

whoops!

Oh, sorry, I got the Acronym for Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu wrong!
I mean BBT. D'oh!
Anyway, thank you for your response, Robert

[Lazylycanthrope]

New Debate topic: Fundo-Jutsu

Okay, Nex topic (hopefully more intersting)
Fundo-Jutsu (Chain Fighting) : What can you do with it? Is it practical? How is one to carry around a 3 to 12 foot chain?
I've done rudimentary Fundo-Jutsu and I'm wondering if any one else can provide helpfull information.
Thanks

[Lazylycanthrope]

Newest topic (Maybe I'll get more responses.)

The Kuji-in (nine finger cuts)
Usefull psuedo-sorcerey? meditation aid? or just Useless movie jargon?
if anyone had got information I'm interested in hearing it.

[Thai Bri]

You would be the only one.

[Lazylycanthrope]

Lol,
Good point.

I find it interesting that when I bring up the "Specifics" of "Ninjutsu" nobody has anyhting to say, yet when I post stuff like "I th1nk Tat Ax Kikz ar Teh SuXXX" I get a whole mess of responses. Oh well, it's funny. I just keep updating, and maybe my perseverance will pay off.

But I do believe that people need to stop arguing with each other on the forums.
C'est le Vie!

[Thai Bri]

But, as your thread so aptly demonstrates, then the forum would be empty.

[Lazylycanthrope]

I know i'm going against my own philosophy here but
*Laughs long and hard*

[Thai Bri]

Excellent.

I'm afraid that my own view of Ninjitsu was badly tainted by a guy 20 years ago. He was in a semi contact Karate competition, wearing the full Ninja gear (including hood and silly big toe slippers). There he was, flicking his legs about, and he got trounced.

The whole image of the super assassin for me was, well, assassinated.

[RobertG]

Re: New Debate topic: Fundo-Jutsu

Originally posted by Lazylycanthrope
Okay, Nex topic (hopefully more intersting)
Fundo-Jutsu (Chain Fighting) : What can you do with it? Is it practical? How is one to carry around a 3 to 12 foot chain?
I've done rudimentary Fundo-Jutsu and I'm wondering if any one else can provide helpfull information.
Thanks

Yeah, the chain is a wicked weapon. Its was developed, in Japan anyway, primarily as a way to overcome swordsmen. And if utilized right, a guy with a chain could do just that. Go watch that fight scene in Kill Bill again with the school girl chick with the chain. I mean yeah its a movie, but that was exactly what a chain wielder would do to someone with a sword. Of course The Bride is one tough bitch, and will kill you sword or not.

As for practicality, yeah, people might think you're odd for carrying around a length of chain. I suppose you could carry some chain attached to your wallet like everyone used to do a few years ago. Three feet of chain might be pushing it though. But yeah, a chain being twirled around at high velocity is a nasty weapon.

As for the finger pretzels and mantras....well, that derives from esoteric schools of Buddhism. I believe it comes more or less directly from some Tantric/Tibetan schools (Mahayana). The Tibetans do that stuff all the time. Its a meditation aid. Nothing more, nothing less. Zen Buddhists dispense with this sort of thing because they are trying to empty their minds. The Tantric schools do the opposite, training the mind to deal with elaborate imagery and mental constructs. Same thing Kabbalists do actually, except I don't think they twist their fingers up into pretzels. So the finger twisting is an aid, but it doesn't in and of itself give you some special powers. But its also not some crap they made up for movies. Buddhists really do it. Ninjas, however, didn't. The Yamabushi, being practioners of Mahayana Buddhism, would have done the finger pretzel, chanted mantras, stared at mandalas and the like. Samurai didn't do finger pretzels, did Zen meditation, and handed the Yamabushi's asses to them. Well after a few hundred years of warfare and having the benefit of more men and resources. Maybe finger pretzels work. Go try it.

[HuSanYan]

Lazylycanthrope

Well, the Budo Taijutsu taught within the Bujinkan system is very similar to traditional jujutsu. The most significant difference is in the stances and postures used, and contrary to popular belief, not everything taught within these schools is classified as “Ninjutsu.”

In fact, very little of it is "ninjutsu" per se. Some of it is samurai combat jujutsu going back to the sengoku jidai or "Warring States" era prior to Japan's unification under the Tokugawa shogunate. Some of it (Gyokko and Koto ryu) according to kuden or oral tradition comes from Chinese temple arts brought into Japan around the end of the Tang dynasty and adapted to local conditions. Some is more in the nature of mixed "civil arts" such as Shinden Fudo ryu, a lot of jujutsu-type methods blended in the 12th century with a type of Chinese kenpo which was prevalent in the area where this ryuha developed.

The Bujinkan's nine ryuha have a certain amount of "overlap" in material covered, and some similarities; but each also has its own distinct characteristics and emphases.

You'd also find some emphasis on contemporary situational applications of the old material: When Hatsumi sensei is teaching in Japan, it's not at all unusual to see him working things like small folding knives and firearms into applications of centuries-old kata.

Hope this helps.....