the truth about ninjitsu and samurai

[jubaji]

See what I mean?

I see that you're a moron.

[thesnake]

(b) The Ninja did use what we call the Ninja-to

ninjitsu not ninja-to

[sojobow]

I see that you're a moron.

So, you "see"?

If you just happen to have anything to add regarding the truth about ninjitsu and samurai, I think most of us would like to read it.

[sojobow]

ninjitsu not ninja-to

do you and or jubaji train in Ninjitsu? Either one of you ever trained in Ninjitsu?

[jubaji]

So, you "see"?

If you just happen to have anything to add regarding the truth about ninjitsu and samurai, I think most of us would like to read it.

I'd like to add that you need to study history from something other than comic books.

[Tom Yum]

Of course, none of this matters when some criminal points a .357 at your temple.

A year or two ago, there was an article about a ninjitsu instructor in South Africa who disarmed a rifle weilding opponent and turned it against him; unfortunately, the criminal had back up who shot the ninjitsu guy.

[NightStalker14]

Okay... more idiots have invaded the forum. Time to set 'em straight.

thesnake: Getting on here and starting an argument about a subject you seem to know nothing about is not the way to make friends. Not wise at all. First of all, it's obvious that the ninja existed. None of us debate that.

Secondly, most of us know that they didn't use magic. If they did use magic, the same could be said, then, of Navy SEALs or anyone who has the skill to be 'invisible'. It's not magic, it's training and skill.

The ninja and the samurai were both classes of warriors, and not all ninja were assassins. Many were great warriors on the open battlefield. One was a thief.

Remember that the history of the ninja was written by the government of Japan (the government typically holds the ability to write history). The ninja were a sort of counter-culture, one that arose out of a simple need to survive.

Please, do some research, and maybe take an English class.

So many keyboard ninjas, so little time...

By the way, I'm not a ninja.

Later.

[Tom Yum]

By the way, I'm not a ninja.

That's what they all say...

[sojobow]

I'd like to add that you need to study history from something other than comic books.

As you seem to know that I must have gotten my history from comic books, you then must know something of the "real history" - which is what I thinks some of us would like to read. Disregard whatever you disagree with and tell us something about Ninjitsu or the Ninja or the Samurai or the science of either's war art that would date somewhere around 1,000 to 1,200 AD.

My snips regarding history was intended to generate some serious discussion. Don't see anything wrong with your disagreeing with anything I've said and I appologize if anything personally offended you as I seem to have struck a nerve. But, just try to overlook this old Tengu with the wrinkled feet and tell us something true about the subject of the title. If you still are not finished with the useless insults, you're welcomed to PM me if it will help vent your frustrations. I'd even go a post on titles of some of the "real history books" you've studied.

[jubaji]

My snips regarding history was intended to generate some serious discussion.

I remain entirely unconvinced of that.

[sojobow]

Okay... more idiots have invaded the forum. Time to set 'em straight.

Remember that the history of the ninja was written by the government of Japan (the government typically holds the ability to write history). The ninja were a sort of counter-culture, one that arose out of a simple need to survive.

Interesting. I've seen a conversation or two on the same point of the Japanese governments writing of certain "histories" involving the Ninja. For westerners, Ninja/Ninjitsu history is a difficult subject but I think westerners do get the overally sense of the subject. For those of us that believe the Ninja did exist, the main point is that the science used is still effective. the survival skills are still effective. The myths are still usefull in the deception aspects of Ninjitsu. The major question I notice is that few students accept anyone's opinion involving the orgin of the Ninja or will actually state a definition of the Ninja. Don't think you'd get much of a discussion on "What is / was a Ninja?"

[jubaji]

and here you see more reason why I can't take you seriously...

For those of us that believe the Ninja did exist,

And who doesn't "believe the Ninja did exist"?

[sojobow]

I remain entirely unconvinced of that.

So this was your way of answering the last Post? Lets move on.

Reviewing the thread thus far, a couple of very interesting questions/statements were made. So, instead of calling theSnake an idiot and myself as being a moron, help us out with intellectual answers to the following:

Shaolin Bushido: I think in the final analysis the fact that Ninpo is not accepted as koryo by the Japanese and Okinawan Martial Arts establishment sorta hints at how they regard the "art".

WildWest.: What the hell is a "real Ninja" anyway??

Great question, but I don't think a rational answer is forthcomming. Don't even try answering this one

Shiteuke: One thing you forgot to add snake,,,Ninja WERE Samauri,,,, they were Samauri of a fallen Shogun whos only goal in life from that point on was avenging their Shoguns death,,,get educated or get lost!

(so, the Ninja originated from within the ranks of the Samurai and never existed anywhere or at any time outside the ranks of the Samurai ? Interesting)

sojobow: What was the function of a Female Ninja? P/S. If it is a fact that there were/are Ninja of the female gender, how does this go to the arguement that Ninja were Samurai (unless one believes that there were/are female Samurai) ?

[jubaji]

There is a reason why any thread with the words "ninja" or "samurai" in the title has a 90% chance of being mind-numbingly stupid.

[jubaji]

Here ya go. Here is a brief, easy to read book where you can start to actually learn about the topic. Then we can have an actual conversation some day.

Ninja AD 1460-1650
by Stephen Turnbull, Wayne Reynolds