What is exactly ninjitsu???

[johnnyada1]

this has nothing to do with the subject but your english is very good

[KARATEMAN]

I'm sorry i wasn't paying attention to the topic I just went and answered the question the guy asked

[sojobow]

Reason i stated this in so much detail is because ninjutsu used to be one of the best arts in the world, problem is u can have the best martial art in the world but if theres no1 good enough to use it effectively the martial art is not the best anymore.

Generally i believe the last true ninja to be Takumatsu sensei. Though i still have much respect for hatsumi masaaki and his teachings.

1 thing is for certain however ninjutsu did exist.

back to the original topic though if u wanna learn more about ninjutsu by a book written by Hatsumi Masaaki.

Interesting reading. Somewhat typical point of view from a Bujinkan student. Not implying correctness or incorrectness, however, being a student on the Koga side, I personally find there are those that are still good enough today and there are those using the system effectively today. It is very hard to find a better System.

If one wants to learn more about Ninjitsu, I'd recommend walking into Dux Ryu's dojo and take the class. I'd also recommend signing into a Hatsumi Sensie school. Those not experiencing the actual training in Ninjitsu, have no idea what is involved. (And the unarmed fighting system in no way resembles Karate) Hope this small comment helps.

[TylerDurden]

Any true Ninja Master should have the entire series 'The Master' on DVD starring Lee Van Clef. If he cannot quote the dialog, he is not a true Ninja.

[Sid_Vicious]

Interesting reading. Somewhat typical point of view from a Bujinkan student. Not implying correctness or incorrectness, however, being a student on the Koga side, I personally find there are those that are still good enough today and there are those using the system effectively today. It is very hard to find a better System.

If one wants to learn more about Ninjitsu, I'd recommend walking into Dux Ryu's dojo and take the class. I'd also recommend signing into a Hatsumi Sensie school. Those not experiencing the actual training in Ninjitsu, have no idea what is involved. (And the unarmed fighting system in no way resembles Karate) Hope this small comment helps.

Still at it I see, You would have to bring up the most blatantly fraudulent person in the martial arts today. Dux ryu is dead, it smolders in the ashes of its fake master when he went down in flames on his own website forum. Your ignorant comments about how it in now way resembles karate makes me laugh. You have dillusions of grandeur in this post trying to recruit people into the mess that is Dux Ryu/FASST/martial science. I do like how you try to emulate neutrality by using Hatsumi's name.

http://www.teemax.com/busmanartical.html

[Ikuro]

Still at it I see, You would have to bring up the most blatantly fraudulent person in the martial arts today. Dux ryu is dead, it smolders in the ashes of its fake master when he went down in flames on his own website forum. Your ignorant comments about how it in now way resembles karate makes me laugh. You have dillusions of grandeur in this post trying to recruit people into the mess that is Dux Ryu/FASST/martial science. I do like how you try to emulate neutrality by using Hatsumi's name.

http://www.teemax.com/busmanartical.html

agreed.. no one ever talks about Takamatsu sensei who, toward the end of his life, became fascinated by Karate do. Also, at least name Ishizuka san if you're gonna name drop.. Hatsumi sensei calls Ishizuka san the most dangerous man alive. THAT piques interest.. I've been involved in Ninpo Taijustsu since '91, and have never heard of this Dux person/thing.

[Uber_Tap]

agreed.. no one ever talks about Takamatsu sensei who, toward the end of his life, became fascinated by Karate do. Also, at least name Ishizuka san if you're gonna name drop.. Hatsumi sensei calls Ishizuka san the most dangerous man alive. THAT piques interest.. I've been involved in Ninpo Taijustsu since '91, and have never heard of this Dux person/thing.

You actually are probably familiar with Dux, he's the guy that Van Dame's character is supposed to be based on in Bloodsport. It's a shame Van Dame didn't receive the oscar he so obviously deserved for his brilliant performance in that movie.

[sojobow]

Still at it I see, You would have to bring up the most blatantly fraudulent person in the martial arts today. Dux ryu is dead, it smolders in the ashes of its fake master when he went down in flames on his own website forum. Your ignorant comments about how it in now way resembles karate makes me laugh. You have dillusions of grandeur in this post trying to recruit people into the mess that is Dux Ryu/FASST/martial science. I do like how you try to emulate neutrality by using Hatsumi's name.

http://www.teemax.com/busmanartical.html

The inquiry was regarding learning more about Ninjitsu/Ninjutsu. What it is etc. Again, for your info, the best way to learn is to do. No emulation of neutrality by using Hatsumi's name. His organization, an those of other Ninpo teachers, do, in fact, teach the art of the stealer-in. It seems you have personal issues with Hanshi and for those issues I cannot intrude. Unclear as to your references to how Hanshi "went down in flames on his own website forum." I will agree that there are plenty of individuals in the world that result to flame-technology in forums while others use the forum platform to grow. I, personally, have no use for personal issues and will not spend sacred moments to deal with those of no use.

Ninjutsu/Ninjitsu is alive and well and the techniques, philosophy, spirituality survived the Wars of the Landlords and will continue to expand. Good luck with your personal issues.

[Sid_Vicious]

The inquiry was regarding learning more about Ninjitsu/Ninjutsu. What it is etc. Again, for your info, the best way to learn is to do. No emulation of neutrality by using Hatsumi's name. His organization, an those of other Ninpo teachers, do, in fact, teach the art of the stealer-in. It seems you have personal issues with Hanshi and for those issues I cannot intrude. Unclear as to your references to how Hanshi "went down in flames on his own website forum." I will agree that there are plenty of individuals in the world that result to flame-technology in forums while others use the forum platform to grow. I, personally, have no use for personal issues and will not spend sacred moments to deal with those of no use.

Ninjutsu/Ninjitsu is alive and well and the techniques, philosophy, spirituality survived the Wars of the Landlords and will continue to expand. Good luck with your personal issues.

As I said sojobow, your attempt at neutrality is somewhat admirable however fake it may be. You yourself revel in the benefit of his name and his infamy as you have quoted multiple times on that very forum, how many hits your name used to get in google searches etc. I would ask that you at least be honest in your association as you are a student at the USC facility and are directly involved in perpetuating the deception that DRN is related to the Koga lineage in any way, shape or form as well as many others. Your false bravado and current attitude are fake and do not reflect your love of this man and the fact that you embrace his fradulent actions. My intent and actions are soley based on the "fact" that your post was an attempt at recruiting new individuals into this dying, yet ever so fake art. So if that is a personal issue you do not wish to spend your "sacred moments" on that is amicable. In the future please be more honest about your associations as they are directly in line with the questions that were asked. Koga Yamabushi Dux Ryu ninjitsu is a creation soley of Frank Dux and he has distanced himself from that name in the past few years as the "inquisition" into that very lineage has never been shown to exist anywhere but his and thusly "your" mind as you are a student that believes "him". thanks for playing

[sojobow]

My intent and actions are soley based on the "fact" that your post was an attempt at recruiting new individuals into this dying, yet ever so fake art.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Ninjitsu/Ninjutsu Do. It is only your own belief that all are "ever so fake..." as an art. Good to see you once again warhammer.

In September, 2003, Francesco (aka franceschino) asked a basic, and somewhat common question: "what is exactly ninjitsu???."

My purpose in replying is only that of expressing MY OWN OPINION as to an answer to his inquiry. Subsequently, I replyed to jubei_kun who also answered the question of Fracesco (e.g. a link to a link). I have no "intent" of recruiting this gentleman. He expressed his choices between Ninjitsu and Kung Fu. Since I study the art of winning with a purpose of infranchising MY mind, MY body and MY spirit, I do not use my time delving into the 30-year background of any particular man as it seems you are doing.

You will not find Hanshi following sojobo. Hanshi is, in fact, easier to find than I which is the reason you constantly lose in your psychotic quest. There is a physical similarity between sojobow and Sojobo but the similarity between sojobow and Hanshi is extremely difficult to see if not non-existant. You're following the wrong being.

Let us concentrate on answering the question at hand (or could it be that you are unable to answer Francisco's questions. You were very close, at one time, until your spirit even deceived you).

If I could describe Ninjitsu, I would liken it to a great celestial black hole which draws to itself all forms of martial arts which, in my own opinion, existed in the beginnings. From within this black hole, that which is of no use is separated and only that which is of use is revealed and further developed as Ninjitsu/Ninjutsu - the art of winning. This definition is only the start. As we practice and reach certain degrees of competence, more is revealed based upon our worthiness and state of attainment. It depends on the individual as certain aspects of the science cannot be presented to those whom their Sensei has determined have not reached the necessary state of Mind/Body/Spirit. Trying to use certain aspects of Ninjitsu before you are ready may cause mortal injury both physical and or mental and reaching certain milestones in Ninjitsu can only be attained by challenging the thresholes of death itself.

Hope this minimal definition helps. There are those out there that have quite a bit more knowledge on the subject than I. Hopefully, some will expand and further bring to the subject, their own definitions.

If, as i said, all forms are drawn into this black hole and that which is of use is kept, then it would be likely that all weapons, philosophies, creatures of nature (cranes, tigers, dragons, cats etc.) would also be looked upon and studied. If I was unable to train in Ninjitsu, I, personally, would train in some form of Shaolin science or Jujitsu. However, I've been blessed.

Hope this help our Italian friend and please excuse the length of my response. I will try to shorten them in the future.

[Sid_Vicious]

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Ninjitsu/Ninjutsu Do. It is only your own belief that all are "ever so fake..." as an art. Good to see you once again warhammer.

People are quite gullible if they truly want to believe what they are told/taught. You answered his question as if he cannot possibly understand it, it is a big mystery until you get in the door. Then you will see the light. That is a cheesy slales pitch at best. You then suggested Dux Ryu has koga yamabushi "ninjitsu" lineage "casually" as you are a student as you admit. Of course not one SHRED of proof to back that up exists. Hatsumi being mentioned to "check out" to give some semblace of neutrality as if you have no vested interest that people believe you are a "Koga" ninja.... or might be someday, or that you practice "real" Koga yamabushi ninjitsu.

This is pathetic "in my opinion" as you well know. It seems we have not moved forward nor backwards since the first day we "met". You still ramble on incessantly with vague generalizations, cheesy metaphors and references you viciously plaigerize from other sites and then masquerade as if they are original thoughts or secret teachings that you are privy too..it's all a big mysterious "dangerous" thing that is a "COMPLETE" system in your own words. You can talk that rhetoric on your own forum, (cough) If it ever comes back. Welcome to the real world.

http://www.teemax.com/truth.html

[wolfen1842]

blah blah blah same old tired hooey

Hey tackhammer...err...ball peen....errr...warhammer...yeah...

when are YOU going to post proof of your rantings and ventings? ever? someday? pretty please?

Or will we see more 'proof' that is nothing more than your opinion.

Or proof that is wrong, like pointing people to the first page of the LA Times article, and saying it has Dux naming Tanaka as his FIRST TEACHER.

Or perhaps, you will state and defend more false claims like there only being 20 BJJ black belts in the USA...and so on...and so on...

Quit the lies man. Show some proof....or go back under your rock. Your rhetoric is old and tired. Not to mention, the person behind the teemax site is not very believable (6 guys were sent by Dux to kill me...ahhhh! No cops involved though!) but he only blasted Dux after being stripped of his rank. Yep...impecible source...


Kamsahamnedah

[Sid_Vicious]

who's your daddy?

Quit the lies man. Show some proof....or go back under your rock. Your rhetoric is old and tired. Not to mention, the person behind the teemax site is not very believable (6 guys were sent by Dux to kill me...ahhhh! No cops involved though!) but he only blasted Dux after being stripped of his rank. Yep...impecible source...


Kamakamakamakamakamachameleon

Dorian Richardson is an honorable man. Something you would not know about. too bad your theory is as fake as you are. let's look at a few examples of other honorable people who have torn Frank Dux's claims apart with evidence to back up what they have to say:

Bailey, Larry. (1998). "Stolen Valor: Profiles of a Phony-Hunter", in Soldier of Fortune. November 1998, 58-61, 73. [SOF backissues available online from SOF website]

Burkett, B.G. (1998). Stolen Valor. Verity Press, TX. (www.stolenvalor.com)
thoroughly exposes dux as a military fraud ....

Johnson, John. (1988). "Ninja: Hero or Master Fake?", Los Angeles Times Valley Edition, Metro Section Part 2, pg 4. May 1, 1988. [1-800-788-8804 for a copy]

Soldier of Fortune. (1996). "Full Mental Jacket". August 1996.

then we have more proof of his feeble lies even in a court of law that you can go read about.

Court TV Online. (1999). "Frank Dux v. Jean Claude Van Damme". Link to: http://www.courttv.com/trials/vandam/index.html

The burden of proof is on Frank Dux to prove what he says is true. Frank Dux will be destroyed by destroying the illusion from which he hides. You, nor the rest of your Cultist friends can stop it. We have not even touched his false claims of 16 world records that "according to Dux" are still intact to this day. Pffft, I do not believe it necessary to go on as I have made my point. I do find it interesting that Dux claims many aliases in his work of fiction "the secret man", one of them being "the wolf".

http://www.teemax.com/whathappen.html

[sojobow]

Hey tackhammer...err...ball peen....errr...warhammer...yeah...

No cops involved though!) but he only blasted Dux after being stripped of his rank. Yep...impecible source...
Kamsahamnedah

The WOLFENIZATION of Sid_Vicious continues. All we need now are Takezo, Power Teacher and Bjjf.

Great point Wolfen. Answer the man's question sid_v. Then maybe try to stick to the point of this thread. Good to see you both.

Anyone want to answer the thread's initiator's question?

[sojobow]

Dorian Richardson is an honorable man:

Bailey, Larry. (1998). "Stolen Valor: Profiles of a Phony-Hunter", in Soldier of Fortune. November 1998, 58-61, 73. [SOF backissues available online from SOF website]

Burkett, B.G. (1998). Stolen Valor. Verity Press, TX. (www.stolenvalor.com)
thoroughly exposes dux as a military fraud ....

Johnson, John. (1988). "Ninja: Hero or Master Fake?", Los Angeles Times Valley Edition, Metro Section Part 2, pg 4. May 1, 1988. [1-800-788-8804 for a copy]

Soldier of Fortune. (1996). "Full Mental Jacket". August 1996.

then we have more proof of his feeble lies even in a court of law that you can go read about.

Court TV Online. (1999). "Frank Dux v. Jean Claude Van Damme". Link to: http://www.courttv.com/trials/vandam/index.html

Carefull now Sid_Vicious. Remember the subtitles were "What Other's Say...." What other's say is a dangerous road to follow. Remember I must have been there with Hanshi, according to you. Example: How much did Van Damme pay Hanshi?