MOD: How effective is your art?

[Szczepankiewicz]

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Many of us train in sport styles or TMA styles and some of us do RBSD styles to augment what we've done in the past.

My questions to you:

What is it in your style that gives you a Self Preservation kinda feeling?

What are the guiding principles that make what you do viable for Self Preservation?

For my art, some of the aspects that give me a good feeling about my preservation skills:

1) Simple stable balanced techniques.

2) Techniques that use 'safe' striking surfaces (on my own body)

3) AAE style (Awareness, Avoidance, and Escape)

4) Constant reality checking to see if what we do actually works.


How about you?


Spanky

[adacas]

In kajukenbo they have a "whatever works use it" mentality.
There are no problems with taking ideas and techniques from other styles and incorprating them.
Training is done as realitic as possible with safety in mind.
And lets not forget the claim as being one of if not the first true american martial art. hehe

[moe_eubleck]

self preservation

If self preservation means going home safely then I feel it is something I have mastered. I practice the art of fighting without fighting. In other words , I would go with my first self preserving instinct : RUN AWAY!! After all, retreating is just advancing in another direction. ( yes moe keep telling yourself that)
But if you mean self preservation in the form of standing and fighting I think it would be difficult to formulate set guide lines because there are an infinate number of things that can happen.
Dont think Im being deviant though. You propose a very interesting topic . My very base problem is that I am virtually brand new to the martial arts.anything i have to say would be something my instructor said. What I can do is list those with an interpretation of my own next to them. These arent in any particular order either.

1. Go home safely. This speaks for itself. If running away is an option, run away. If there is a stick on the ground, PICK IT UP!!
This is the golden rule!!

2. use ego free training . Burton is always telling us this. And to me it makes a lot of sense. The ego is the cause of most domestic disputes. Someone damaged another's ego in turn causing the neaderthal response of taking a swing. If people can overcome their own ego , than they wouldnt be so easily swayed by demeaning words of another. Also, if you are ego free, there would be no shame in running away. This supports the " go home safely" rule.

3. expect the worst. - to me this means to assume my attacker is more skilled than I AND has a concealed (or not) weapon. For me it is a hypothetical idea because it hasnt happened yet. But If I assume the worst, I'm going to be training for the worst. My goal is to be funtional in all ranges, with or without weapons, against one or more skilled opponents in any environment. (dont ask me for a demonstration its a GOAL)

4. How you train is how you fight. Im not going to quote anyone on that because this is a jkd forum.

Well, thats all I can think of for now. Notice that all of these are more psycological preparations than physical. i think its because self preservation begins on a psycological, instinctual level. Also everything I listed supports the other. But like I said ; someone elses ideas, my interpretations. enjoy.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Notice that all of these are more psychological preparations than physical

Yes, I did notice that. I also noticed the interconnectivity of what you are saying.

That's exactly what I'm after. The principles behind the techniques.

[gagi]

I must agree with Moe. The real question should be how effective is one's training, and not his art. Of course, some arts (man, I hate that term) are much more susceptible to effective training methods than others, but the essence is still in the way you train. I mean there's no vay you're gonna any art good, i.e. apply it effectively if your training methods are crap.
Now, what I feel a good training should give (and I believe mine is) is the following:
Aliveness
Adaptability
Awareness
Confidence
Will to continue with it
Obvious results (directly affects the previous one)
Fun
Please note that I put those in a random order as I believe that all are equally important, although it might be that some people need some more that others.

[akja]

Re: ABT

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
Note: This is a Moderated Thread

Any overly deviant posts will be split or deleted.

It's a martial arts forum, let's talk about martial arts for a change!

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Many of us train in sport styles or TMA styles and some of us do RBSD styles to augment what we've done in the past.

My questions to you:

What is it in your style that gives you a Self Preservation kinda feeling?

What are the guiding principles that make what you do viable for Self Preservation?


How about you?


Spanky

I teach my students what I call ABT's. It stands for Attributes Before Technique. Some arts are well known for the large number of techniques which in my book are useless if they can't make them work in a real situation.

When training "fight attributes" we will get all the technique practice that we need. We couldn't have have the attributes without the technique. But many schools have the techniques without realistic attributes.

Theres always time to add new techniques in a natural progression that meets our training methods.