Range Training

[junfan]

Ok so you know the ranges, kicking boxing trapping grappling, now what arts have you thrown into them?

for me its been:

Kicking: Muay Thai and Bando mainly

Boxing: Boxing..

Trapping: Wing Chun, and Muay Thai(elbows knees)

Grappling: BJJ, Dumog

Weapons: Kali

[JKDBerlin]

I would rather go with
Long Range
Medium Range
Short Range

Greetings

[ipscshooter]

Ok so you know the ranges, kicking boxing trapping grappling, now what arts have you thrown into them?

For me its been:

Kicking/Punching: TKD

Trapping/Grappling: I watch my son's JKD class, does that count?

Weapons: U.S. Practical Shooting Association - combat pistol...

[Thai Bri]

Theres only two ranges. Your either in range, or out of range.

[tekshow]

^^^ why reinvent the wheel with every post Thai bri? but a good example nonetheless your signature still remains valid in my mind


i train Muay Thai, Western boxing, JKD, FMA, Tai Chi, and Wing Chun for my standup game

and ..

BJJ and Tai Chi for the ground

[fcokeefe]

Ok so you know the ranges, kicking boxing trapping grappling, now what arts have you thrown into them?

Basicially I use three ranges. Weapons, Striking and Grappling.

Weapons: Escrima, touches of Japanese and Chinese MA

Striking: Kenpo, Kickboxing, aspects of MT (knees & elbow) WC for trapping

Grappling: Judo, BJJ, Submission grappling with aspect of Catch and Sambo

[Thai Bri]

^^^ why reinvent the wheel with every post Thai bri? but a good example nonetheless your signature still remains valid in my mind


i train Muay Thai, Western boxing, JKD, FMA, Tai Chi, and Wing Chun for my standup game

and ..

BJJ and Tai Chi for the ground

Thanks for the info. Your version of preparing for the different "ranges" made me laugh out loud.

[shadowkiller]

This is just my opinon but my list would end up being something like

Kung fu for speed and conditioning

MT supplemented with a little boxing for Stand up

Judo for clinch and throws

BJJ for grappling


Going to be somewhat difficult to get good instruction for all of those where I live, but for the next few years I am going to spend about a year in china as well as thailand, so I at least get pretty proficient in stand up. But first I need to save up a lot of money so that I can completely focus on training.

[brokenelbow]

Where does all this range stuff come from? If JKD isn't a sport and is street-fighting why all the complexity? If you want to hurt someone you close and do it up close and personal. If you want to shutdown their footwork you close and get it done. If it's self defense you stay away and try to escape.
Maybe you'll beat them maybe they're better and you lose, but all the talk about range implies you'll be spending alot of time either not running away or not trying to take them out. But then I'm just a stupid karate guy.

[v65sabre]

for once i agree with bri there are 2 ranges in range and out

[gungfuhero]

Range is a very important concept. Range can be used as a defense (i.e. being out of range), and offensively it is essential in using the correct tool. In JKD, range should be studied intensely.

[brokenelbow]

In JKD, range should be studied intensely.

Why? I really fail to see why.

[Drew Howe]

The importance of range basically starts and stops with having control over the range or distance between you and your target. If you control the range, you control the fight. At first, basic study involves developing the proper tools for each range..but deeper study techniques aren't as important as timing, rythem, and distance. And, finally, putting it all together. That's the hardest part for most..including myself. One day I might get it.

[brokenelbow]

The importance of range basically starts and stops with having control over the range or distance between you and your target. If you control the range, you control the fight. At first, basic study involves developing the proper tools for each range..but deeper study techniques aren't as important as timing, rythem, and distance. And, finally, putting it all together. That's the hardest part for most..including myself. One day I might get it.

Drew no offense but maybe there is nothing to get and that's why it's hard to put together. The entire concept of "If you control the range, you control the fight." implies that you're not trying to end the encounter but maintain a slight advantage. If even an out of shape person like Thai Bri can cover 20 feet in under a second what range are you trying to maintain and how long are you figuring on controlling it?

[Drew Howe]

Drew no offense but maybe there is nothing to get and that's why it's hard to put together. The entire concept of "If you control the range, you control the fight." implies that you're not trying to end the encounter but maintain a slight advantage. If even an out of shape person like Thai Bri can cover 20 feet in under a second what range are you trying to maintain and how long are you figuring on controlling it?

After I read what I wrote, I thought it might be misunderstood. When I say control the range, I meant that you decide when to close, when to attack, when to take the other guy out of the fight. Not the other guy doing it to you. I'm not talking about a sporting contest. You want to take the other guy out as fast as possible. If you are in control you know when to do this. If you wait, it might be done to you.

The highest level in JKD is almost like reading the other guys mind and knowing what he is thinking. That is the highest possible intercept. I've heard Bruce Lee had this ability. If you stood in front of Bruce and just thought about trying to strike him, he could read that and BAM he was on top of you. Bruce knew that the one who hit first and kept hitting won the fight. Some people call this the offensive mindset or have come up with other names for it. Basically, it's just intercepting and Bruce Lee was amazing at doing that.