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drew pass on the free pass and ask for a free video. hehe.
a person half way thru college figures out the learning problem, drops out and starts his own education learning center. that person is?????
it's ok drew, its problematic when you start going in circles.
drew do you go thru sumbrada or other flow drills? the one true way to training is learning the lines of attack. once you have that then you train and train till these become etched in your memory reflex center. then you explore and sharpen-polish your tempered edge. drew thats one of my out looks on training. how do you incorporate your functional game? matt or sean i am once again happy where i am, BUT can get a free sbji dvd or copy of one? i'll trade for a copy of one of vu's or inosanto. just checking
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Roz, you are welcome at an SBGi anytime. As you have no idea what we actually do it would be a very positive experience for you, and the differences in methodology will be self evident.
What we do is based on performance, and your welcome anytime at an SBGi to test it out yourself.
Enjoy the day
-Matt Thornton
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That's being a little sensitive now. It was a joke hence the smiley faced icon. It wasn't meant as a serious implication. I think you have to expect some ribbing when you come to a forum and say your way of training is better than most JKD schools. Particularly when you are talking down others with: "If not, then who knows. Many simply like the attachment to a movie star, etc. It becomes an image one chases. And that is truly common in all things."Originally posted by smartmonkey
And: "Without an understanding of what that Alive training looks like one would struggle within the process of evolution. And this is of course what happened to much of the jkd community"
And this: "So if you believe that "jkd" method you advocate to be as functionnal, or more so, then COME SHOW US. Otherwise it's just more Martial Arts mythology."
I guess I'm just practicing and teaching a myth....In fact, being "logical" everyone teaching JKD is teaching mythology unless they "test" it at SBGi. Matt, I'm sure you have a great program, but that last statement is pretty rich. The implication being that If I don't make the trip out to you, I'm just following a myth. How do you expect someone to react to something like that.
The nature of the invitation alone is meant to envoke intimidation, and shut me up. You've done this at least 3 times now.
I only disagreed with your definition of JKD (which I'm not alone in see Tim Tackett's website http://www.jkdwednite.com/Tim.htm sixth paragraph), not the effectiveness of your training program. I don't think you trained in JKD with right people, but that is my opinion. It also, doesn't mean that because I don't think you trained with the right JKD people that you were incapable of learning effective methods of combat, or developing your own way. It also doesn't require me to show you how OJKD is equal to or better than yours. I've only been doing JKD for 15 years. I'm the student not the master. There are others that would do a better job of demonstrating JKD for you. I think you should invite Tim Tackett or Ted Wong to your school, they are closer and far more qualified then I am. Of course, If you are going to be equally as insulting to them saying that if they don't come show you then they are teaching mythology etc., they probably won't respond.
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matt i am sorry but i can care less what you do or how you train. once again i adore the jkdc camp, i look forward to working up the ranks and i am full of respect to my seniors. i am an instructor,coach or whatever, and i enjoy life the bestest,mostest way i can. so please enjoyOriginally posted by smartmonkeyComment
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There has been no insults Drew. Read the article again. Form follows function, and perfromance within a given field of operations is the measurment we use.
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"The nature of the invitation alone is meant to envoke intimidation, and shut me up. You've done this at least 3 times now."
NEGATIVE, there has been no threats, or implied threats, nor would anyone "beat you up" if you came to an SBGi. You would be treated in a friendly, respectful manner, as everyone who walks through our doors is.
However, I am providing for you a venue where you can actually test out your belief's which you hold to be true.
If you believe you have a better method then we will have to see that. It's really that simple.
You stated:
"So, your JKD is better than what Bruce created? His original techniques, Pre-73 JKD, are no good because fighting is somehow different now then it was 30 years ago?"
To really believe that 'bruce lee' who passed away at 33 years of age had the end all answer for fighting, and was far ahead in terms of training methods and ideas when compared to modern fighters; many of whom who have had 100's of fights against other great athletes. . . .is just silly.
However, if you really do believe that, then you should put it to the test and see.
It doesn't have to be a dangerous or life threating situation. Why not show up at an MMA school and try a little sparring with them? Or perhaps a BJJ Gym? Or an SBGi? See if what you are doing holds up at all?
Regards this:
"I think you should invite Tim Tackett or Ted Wong to your school, they are closer and far more qualified then I am. Of course, If you are going to be equally as insulting to them saying that if they don't come show you then they are teaching mythology etc., they probably won't respond."
I have spoken with Tim several times and he seems like a nice guy. He has also been invited to the Gym, and is planning on visting at some point. If he has something of value to offer, then we will certainly make use of it. That process of evolution towards better performance is what this is all about.
So as I stated before Drew, try reading the article again. It's very simple. Form must follow function.
If there is a more functional way for the majority of humans to defend themselves within a given range, and field of operations, and you reject it because it's not what "bruce Lee", or any other icon "did", then that is not just silly, it is indeed the opposite of what Mr Lee advocated.
So if you believe that "jkd" method you advocate to be as functional, or more so, then COME SHOW US.
Why not visit an MMA gym and test your OJKD out on them?
You would be better off to find you need work in many areas in that environment, then you would one day in the street when someone is really trying to hurt you.
Have a good new year.
-Matt Thornton
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ps
matt how about the free video?
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"matt i am sorry but i can care less what you do or how you train."
Then don't presume to know what we do, or speak about something you know nothing about. Your initial post about "non pfs-material" and other such nonsense speaks directly to the fact that you are clueless about our methods. You have absolutley no idea.
SO, if your interested, then come see for yourself. Or at least be willing to listen to those who have actually trained with us.
If your not, then there is no reason to converse on the subject.
Enjoy the day
-Matt Thornton
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matt i am sorry. i apologize. i will no longer disrespect anyone.Originally posted by smartmonkey
but how about a free video, i am interested in cecking out one of your vids. i hear so much thornton this, thornton that etc. alot of people speak highly of ya. do you train in kali,escrima, or arnis?
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Roz,
We have methods of stickfighting, and a knife defense program we teach which was put together by an Instructor in the UK named Karl Tanswell.
There is plenty of free information on the web about all these methods, and what we do. Check our website: www.straightblastgym.com and also the posts and archives at mma.tv mixedmartialarts.com in the jkd forum. There is lost of info there. Also Seans forum has plenty of good technique and training posts. None of which will cost you a dime.
take care
-Matt Thornton
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I've been working out in jiu-jitsu for sometime now - BJJ for over a year, and I train on occasion with some amateur MMA guys in my area. I find it nicely complements Bruce Lee's JKD. Of course BJJ is limited to take downs and the ground because it is a sport with rules, but the MMA guys do it all. From some of the more skilled MMA guys, I've not found their approach to be that different from OJKD. They just don't call what they do jeet kune do. Is what they do better - I don't know. To me it is too similar to say it is better or even different. They are better athletes then I am, but then they are also in far better shape than I am as well. But, that says more about me as an individual than it does JKD.Comment
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That's excellent Drew, and I am sincerely happy to hear that. That process of training and sparring with these athletes will work wonders for anyone.
And the invitation was not a threat. All of us from SBGi get on the mat with each other and spar on a regular basis. It can be at whatever pace the individuals body is capable of dealing with without injury. It's important to train safe. I think you would enjoy that experience at an SBGi, and if you find yourself near one someday you would be welcomed.
enjoy the day
-Matt Thornton
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for alot of us we are not able to train every day, all day. we have other jobs. that tie us-hubud- up. some 7 days a week at all odd hours, then we - a large part of us- have families. so are voyage into the ma realm would be for self-dicipline, self control,stress relief,spiritual, and protection for are loved ones and selves. jkd is more of a vehicle to achirve higher enlightenment. the ability to flow with ease. in a sum i personally can not stand to fight, BUT i must adore to achieve perfection for when and where or how it happens. the ability to survive. so self preservation must be a common denominatorComment
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Well, I appreciate the invite then. I apologize for misinterpreting your intentions. Perhaps I am being too defensive. I guess I tend to be sensitive when it comes to discussions on the effectiveness of JKD as I know it.Originally posted by smartmonkeyComment
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Hi Matt,
I just wanted to know. I'm sure that when you guys spar you might go all out and spar in every concievable range from stand up to ground fighting and everything in between. Just out of curiousity. Do you guys ever spar but limit the range one can engage in? In other words, spar using kicking and punching but no ground fighting just to test one's stand up game. Cause I'm sure some people may excell in take downs and the ground game but may need some work on their stand up skills. If not, then how does one improve one's stand up fighting skills in an alive environment. Just curious. Thanks.Comment
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