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  • #1

    Training

    1. Does anybody know of some good exercises for strenghtening the neck and the abdominals (for sparring/competition purposes)?

    2. Does anybody want to share their training routines for grappling/MMA?
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  • #2
    Have you seen the movie "choke" with Rickson Gracie?

    He utilized an elastic band tied to a post, looped it around his forehead and walked away from the post; now the band would give him resistance training. I've done the same thing using a Bycicle tube tied to a hook in my garage wall. The more my neck is strong; the more I can walk further, stretching the band. Very effective.

    As for abs: have someone seated in your guard, then try to do a guillotine on him; use your abs to raise. 5 sets of 100 reps will do the trick, assuming that you are dieting properly.

    Good luck

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Underdog
      Have you seen the movie "choke" with Rickson Gracie?
      Great movie(documentary), BTW. Rickson is presented as very knowledgeable in more than one way about his body and what it needs.

      Originally posted by Underdog
      As for abs: have someone seated in your guard, then try to do a guillotine on him; use your abs to raise. 5 sets of 100 reps will do the trick, assuming that you are dieting properly.
      Is there another way to do this same exercise like using a long thisck rope, or blanket? Do you think you will be getting the same effect?

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      • #4
        Choke kicks ass...

        You really get to see what a physical specimen Rickson is in that video... amazing


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        #5
        the Rickson idea is new to me, and I love it..but

        try the standard answer to neck strengthing for fighting reasons...bridges.

        bridges will make your neck not only strong, but thick AND flexible..which is what you need for fighting..

        roll over to your back on the ground. pull your feet in, bending your knees, til the bottoms of your feet are flat on the ground. 'bridge' up til the top of your head and the bottoms of your feet are the only touching the floor. your body should make an arched bridge

        roll forward and back as far as you feel comfortable doing so..do it slowly and pay attention to how your neck feels..don't go to far an extreme where you might damage your spine do to a weaker neck than is necessary..

        go side to side some, and circles some.

        stand it as long as you can..then stretch your neck by your usual method.

        this is what wrestlers do so that they won't get a broken neck wrestling. do it, and you're very very safe. don't, and you're not safe at all..

        or, that's wrestling lore, anyway..

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        • #6
          What about Greco Roman wrestling? Does anyone here practice it? What kind of exercises do you do. What about that muscle under you chin/jaw that bullfrogs flex? Does anyone here think that it can be developed as well?

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            • #7
            I didn't do Greco, but I did highschool (folk) wrestling.

            (shrug)

            in wrestling, to strengthen that muscle you ask about, chad, we'd eat a lot of bugs. Best damned thing for it.

            Should have seen what it did for my shoulder throw, too.

            heh.


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            • #8
              Dwayne, I'm on accord with you that bridges are terrific to build a fighter neck. BUT it must be treated as an advanced exercise done only when you have a good strenght fundation in your neck and trap area. The chances are that if you did it incorrectly you'll injure yourself bad. So, for a beginner my nod went to simple isometric exercises and the elastic band. Also, with a a band you can pratice everywhere, holding it with your hands.

              As for the "abs in the guard", try to substitute your partner with a heavybag. Same results.

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                • #9
                U-dog: Right-o. I'd heard of chiropractors saying bridging can do some freaky stuff, but haven't heard much to support it since. i can see how you might well be right, that a person needs a certain strength level before bridging.. I don't much about it. I started bridging in my 90 pound weakling days (112, actually)with no neck strength (or body strength for that matter) previously. However, that doesn't mean it's the best idea for someone to mimic me....

                life isn't too bad for me today. I'm at work, I have a beer, I'm doing 3d modeling... how do I complain about being paid for this?
                if only everyday could be so good..

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by quietanswer
                  life isn't too bad for me today. I'm at work, I have a beer, I'm doing 3d modeling... how do I complain about being paid for this? if only everyday could be so good..
                  Dwayne, this should be your signature.

                  My ex-girlfriend's friend is looking at me wierd now because I asked her to ask her boyfriends brother(he was a wrestler from high school-just graduated a year ago) if he wants to work out. She said his parents are strick and wouldn't allow him to work out with us. How does wrestling work out with your current MA training now, even your stickfighting?

                  UD, thanks, I'll try those guillotines on the bag-unless James will let me do a hundred reps on him. )

                  Take Care,
                  Chad

                  [Edited by Chad W. Getz on 11-30-2000 at 05:22 PM]

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                  • #11
                    Abs

                    One of my favorites for working the abs I got from boxing. Lay on the floor on your back. Your partner is facing you standing at your feet. You raise your legs up, your partner "catches" them and throws them back down.... you contract your abs to prevent your feet from hitting the ground. Repeat...

                    ~Kev

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                      • #12
                      Chad, heh. That would make a good signature, but it's only true on the rare day..

                      Wrestling work with current MA training? Man.. it's hard to explain. Wrestlers are tough people. Wrestling fueled a great deal of my drive to excell in fighting arts..it was the first place I saw a 103 pound senior THRASH a guy who went 180 or so.. to hear it is one thing, to see it is like watching someone defy physics.. "hey pick up a car" "ok" "he just picked up a car!" is kind of how it feels to see that..

                      I tell people two of the best martial arts you can take in america are boxing, and high school wrestling. I put more weight on the latter.

                      High school wrestling, a fighter will point out, does not allow submissions. it does not allow chokes, arm bars, or any smaller joint manipulation.. in high school wrestling, a man is taught to go to his belly if he's on bottom...also, throws are limited..if you lift someone off his feet, you have to givehim safe passage to the ground..these are things a fighter will point out to downplay the ability of wrestlers..

                      All those negatives are true..but none of them TURN OUT to be true. wrestlers are hard to submit, even if they don't know about submissions. also, they are great at finding submissions, even without training in it, as they have a great unconscious body knowledge from all the training that they DO do. wrestlers are fast and slippery.. highschool wrestling builds a great deal of speed. they drill the foundational concepts well past boredome, past the pain zone, into numbness...meaning: lightning fast ankle picks, single/double legs, and duck unders..not to mention a hundred other moves that are all part of submission grappling as well.. and the coaches generally have marine experience and love watching you hurt...it was not unusual to watch guys barf after the workouts..not to lose weight, but because their bodies were toast..

                      high school wrestling gives a guy an understanding of movement on the ground. you fight 5 days a week, six at most schools, and you work hard. you condition aerobically and strengthwise to a very high degree. Day after day you wrestle highschool guys who TRULY don't want to be pinned. it's incredible.

                      I have never had a better workout than in the highschool wrestling program. I've never known tougher guys, either..
                      not all wrestlers. just the wrestlers that wanted to be tough guys...and WANTED it..

                      that's my soap box. highschool wrestling is where I'll send my child for his serious first fight trianing.. it'll prepare him well for boxing too, as lots of the skills transfer..all the attributes.. not that I'm in a hurry to have a child..

                      [Edited by quietanswer on 12-01-2000 at 09:08 AM]

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