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  • The Reality of JKD

    JKD is not a special concept.

    If you seriously think about it, the concepts behind JKD are not startingly special. Don't get me wrong, I don't wish to undermine what Bruce Lee did for the martial arts community. He did a great and necessary thing by expounding his beliefs about the martial arts.

    The idea behind JKD, Bruce Lee's motivation if you will, was to re-functionalize something that had become stagnant over generations of formalization, standardization and ritualization. The process of JKD was to reverse the generations of de-volution of the martial arts, and instill them once again with the "martial" aspect. Bruce Lee didn't bring anything new to the martial arts scene, he was just the wake up call to remind us that we were trapped in our ignorance about the arts. Essentially, Bruce Lee put the 'balls' back into martial arts, which at the time had digressed to become nothing more than organized oriental dances.

    Bruce's interpretation of JKD, 'The way of the intercepting fist' completely embodies the process of re-functionalization. "To hit the other guy before he hits you" this is the core of his interpretation, requiring an awesome mastery of your own body. His focus was not on the acquisition of cool-looking techniques, but rather, FIRST the development of the most efficient physical and mental state possible, and then SECOND the tools to back up your agenda.

    Almost all of his original Jun Fan techniques were linear. No shit, it is the quickest path between two bodies. However, Bruce Lee could pull it off, because he actually trained to hit people that moved out of the way and hit back. His personal attributes, and his emphasis on attribute training are what elevated him above his contemporaries at the time.

    It is a known fact that Bruce Lee later on regretted coining the term JKD, because it was slowly becoming exactly what he tried to move away from: an organized system with a core body of techniques. People wanted to fight like Bruce by imitating his technique/system.

    The sad thing is that most people fail to realize that JKD is merely a fancy description of what Bruce Lee could do. With his techniques (Jun Fan- his name) and his attributes, he could do JKD (or 'hit you before you hit me'). In the same way if some random unschooled street fighter could train to the point where he will always take you down before you can touch him, or hit you before you hit him, he will be expressing JKD.

    Ultimately, my point is that no one particular thing is JKD. The term JKD in fact should not need to exist so long as we keep in the spirit of functionalizing our techniques and keeping ourselves in shape. Boxers are practicing it all the time, as are fencers. Vitor Belfort has clearly functionalized the Wing Chun straight-blast (though I am sure he just thinks of it as 'alot of punches in a row'), and his early UFC fights are clearly an expression of JKD.

    A JKD teacher CANNOT be a JKD teacher is he isn't training you to use your own body in the best possible way. Those that keep sparring out of the picture are offenders, however, I am sure that there are other offenders in other areas who neglect the importance of some aspect of physical conditioning.

    BJJ training or not, if you are not learning how to optimize your physical performance, you are not really doing JKD. While cross training is useful, JKD is NOT cross-training. Furthermore, while sparring is useful, JKD is NOT defined by sparring.

    It is not hard to see how an individual untrained in fighting, but who is exceptionally strong and fast (perhaps through another sport) might rip through a slew of so-called JKD guys. I in fact I had the pleasure of training with a guy who, with 1 hour of training had completely nullified everything I knew technically with his superior attributes. I pride myself in my speed, but this guy was just much faster and much stronger. I am proud to say that I have learned from this, and now I have a goal towards which I can train.


    ***As a side note: If you really want to see how BJJ might
    be completely thrown out of the window, I would highly
    recommend getting Paul Vunak's Street Safe 3.

    My recommendation for the practice of JKD is to find the fastest, strongest, toughest guy you can find. Train with him until you begin to see things happen. Then, find someone even faster, stronger, and tougher. So on and so forth.

    To quote Paul Vunak: "The firstest with the mostest is the bestest."









  • #2
    i have to agree with you bro..
    he was basically saying what lao tzu was saying, it was basically toaist.. in fact, a lot of the qoutes that he is known to have said, like " no way as way", and " empty your cup" and all that water stuff, and even " a finger pointing to the mooon" stuff, was all budhist and toaist quotes from past philosophers.. there not his, he just quotes them.. this doesnt take anythign away from him, because he actually took those words and put them to use, and did that they were teaching..

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    • #3
      Gladiator my friend...
      When you getting back?
      We have some SERIOUS training to do!!

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      • #4
        I tend to agree with you...

        Nowadays, with everyone and their grandmother crosstraining to find the most effective all around strategy for themselves, whether or not you term it "Jeet Kune Do" seems to be a moot point.

        I hate to say it, but I've come to see JKD as something systemized. Think about it...although JKD is supposed to be strictly an idea or concept, not just anyone can think along the lines of JKD and call himself a JKD man without a bunch of actually affiliated JKD guys jumping on his back. For someone to be characterized as a JKD man nowadays, he'd have to be a freestyle artist with background and training in a JKD curriculum, which involves training under a JKD certified instructor. If you do not have a background in Jun Fan martial arts or Filipino arts or Muay Thai, PFS or a combination of all the above, you probably will not be considered a JKD man by anyone. So you can argue that JKDC has been systemized. Thankfully enough, it has not become stylized since it is still a freestyle type of training and provides a great amount of freedom for the individual practitioners and instructors. But as for the OJKD and whatnot, they have gone as far as stylizing JKD which kinda kills the entire idea, IMO. When you get right down to it, JKD was meant to be nothing more than a simple idea that makes lots of sense. There is really no need to adorn it with a fancy sounding term like "The Way of the Intercepting Fist" and a bunch of poetic passages from the Tao Te Ching. JKD is not an idea that says you have to use Bruce Lee's personal strategy and techniques (Jun Fan). It is simply training with a freestyle mentality without limiting yourself to the confines of one particular strategy and finding the most direct and effective methods for you yourself to win quick. There are now, and have probably always been warriors and martial artists everywhere training in this fashion. Whether you call it JKD, vale tudo, mixed martial arts, or whatever really doesn't matter. Therefore, you don't really need the term JKD at all, do you? I think that was a key point Bruce was trying to make with his philosophy, but unfortunately a lot of people didn't get it. When you think about it, perhaps Bruce didn't fully comprehend the very idea that he was getting at. That's why he at first had to attach some kind of label to it by terming it "Jeet Kune Do". When he finally realized what he himself truly meant, he then regretted coining the term to begin with.

        Basically, the only thing that makes something specifically JKD (rather than just freestyle practical fighting in general) is its connection to the training methods, techniques and direct influence of Bruce Lee. JKD is basically an institution. Who cares? I like being a part of that institution.

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        • #5
          cool name.
          i agree with many of your points, the only thing i want to say is that people need examples of things. they need to see a physical example of a concept to better visualize it and thus be a part of it. they need names to relate to it, and a method of explaining it to others, to explain jkd without the physical examples of jun fan is like trying to guide someone to spiritual enlightenment without teaching them to meditate or pray. jun fan is the physical examples that sijo lee felt at the time to best convey the concepts of jkd. yes he regretted nameing it because of his fear that people would say this "is" the way. OJKD. and understandably so. and yes the NHB and mixed martial arts world of today are finally three decades later catching up to the concepts he was preaching so long ago, but your right, that does not make them jkd, just along a similar path. jkd is specifically sijo lee's expression and the path he laid out for us to follow, do we have to follow him, no. but to follow another path and call it jkd is incorrect, no matter how many truths you also adhere to. if you cook rice, it's rice that's true. but if you cook spanish rice it is not the same rice they cook in china. so therefore, although it "is" rice it's not the same. hope that made sense, it's late.
          Harley

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          #6
          Harley: You say "the path he laid for us", but the only path he laid was no path... which really isn't a path, more than a perspective.. I agree with gladiator when he says that what most people think of as JKD is simply a collection of techniques and ideas that worked specifically bruce.. he says not to use his techniques, but to research and find which are your own..no path.



          I'm not really concerned if JKD guys think I'm JKD or not..which most of you probably aren't either. I just want to continue fighting, hitting my bag, and swinging my sticks..

          They can call me "fight ballet" for all I care. so long as they are willing to get on the mat with me, and go at whatever contact level I want to go at, they can see me anyway they want...

          -dwayne

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          • #7
            JKD: My interpretation:

            Understand that punches happen in a fight. Work some techniques against a jab. Add in the cross. Than the uppercut and the hook. Next spar against someone using a boxing structure "testing" your techniques, whether it be limb destructions, straight blast, double leg takedowns, stop kicks, etc.

            Understand that kicks happen in a fight. Work your techniques against an isolated roundhouse kick. Next add a front kick, next add a whatever kick. Add kicks that are more commonly used rather than exotics kick first. It would be more advantageous to against the kicks that you would probably face on the streets before you work on the kicks you could possibly face on the street. Next, spar someone with a kickboxing structure, and test you techniques.

            Combine your sparring utilizing what you have learned from both progressions so far.

            Understand that opponents will close the gap to get to you. Have someone try to take you down, agressively, and try to counter them. Slow down and test different techniques and progress the resistance until he is really trying to grab a hold of you. Realize that you have the option of countering him or accepting the close. Realize now that you may have to close the gap against him as a counter to him closing. Work your closing skills against his boxing structure though an isolated progressive sparring situation. Do the same against the kickboxing structure.

            Understand that clinching happens in a fight. Work the clinch. Try to get back into punching or trapping range, try to gain superior control, try to take down or sweep, etc. opponent that is aggressively resisting you. Tell you partner what you are going to try to do, and tell him not to let you do it. Understand that the clinch has no particular structure. It involves a live moving energy. Wrestling involves a clinching structure that works for it's rules: No striking. Thai boxing has a clinch structure that capitalizes on the rules of their game: No wrestling. So forth and so forth.

            Understand that ground fighting happens. go there and get to work. Understand that grappling uses the principles of groundfighting and positioning during fighting, it is better to utilizes these principles that they have already and perfected and then add in what is your own and take out what you don't like, rather than to try to build a structure from nothing. The important thing though is to train against a grappler. Train against someone who is really experienced. With this section you can go to almost any grappling schools and ask any blue or purple belts to grapple with you and try to choke you etc., I'm sure they will all be more than willing. Isolate each particular area like the mount, the guard, the side mount, from both positions top and bottom.

            Next, put on a macho headgear and some gloves and go for it. If you have analyzed your techniques and progressively worked up the intensity of the spar, you should be comfortable at all ranges and produce the mindset of what Bruce defined as JKD.

            Now realize that it doesn't matter what you call it. If you can't produce results, like the Rock says: It Doesn't Matter. Fighting is fighting, and that is what you should be training. Unless of course you aim to only master a certain number of techniques, then that's fine, too.

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            • #8
              if you are walking the walk...well then nothing more to be said. if you are just talking the talk, well. i'm not here to argue about what Sijo lee said,did, would do,or even what you or i should do. but the fact remains that if you follow the concepts of what he laid down, you will inadvertantly walk the walk.
              As for me, i will continue to train under the best people i can, test it when possible, drill it to death, teach it to my students and spread what i know, i don't really see how i can go wrong with that. each person has his own path, that's mine, each of you have yours. call it what you will, in the end, no one cares.
              harley

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              • #9
                We can think whatever we want to think but...

                Why would anyone want to call what they do JKD if they were not beforehand trained by a JKD Instructor that was also trained by a JKD Instructor before him and so on?

                Maybe someone should tell these guys how they feel!

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                • #10
                  A lot of people now days want to call what they do JKD. But have now background in its real training. Other then a book. And home practice. Or perhaps modified m/a from another art. No matter what you do you have to find with in that what works for you.JKD as Bruce taught . The students had to find what worked in it for them. Thats your truth. But JKD had a core of tools researched by Bruce that was and is what makes JKD. Any thing else is extended from that. If the core of what you train and do. Does not teach /giude the student with the core set of tools handed down by Bruce to the original students and down the line of teaching. Its not JKD. But may be applied concept of improvement. The name JKD lead to confusion. just as any art. We first try to learn get caught in the must be this way set. then find out That if we learn that The art any art Applies to our self and we the person have to gather and do what we can do in that art. Then be it JKD or any art. Its ours when we do it. Thats freedom. uncontroled resistive responce. How ever we react or act. If you learn to use what you do its you. No matter what art or path of life it may be. the person has to be part of what they do to make anythig work. your job, school, ect. And the more you do something the easyer it gets. Sure today has great advantages to what we can learn.

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                  • #11
                    OMG

                    What dont u understand?

                    Jeet Kune Do=way of the interceptin fist

                    Jeet Kune Do is a practical filosophy. As I understand it Bruce mean: 'dont wait til' someone hits u, intercept'

                    I personally like it coz it has technix from fencin that let u close distance fast and boxin what iz good too

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by hEmPY
                      OMG

                      What dont u understand?

                      Jeet Kune Do=way of the interceptin fist

                      Jeet Kune Do is a practical filosophy. As I understand it Bruce mean: 'dont wait til' someone hits u, intercept'

                      I personally like it coz it has technix from fencin that let u close distance fast and boxin what iz good too
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                      Black Belt : What is "original" jeet kune do, and how does it differ from jeet kune do "concepts"? Many of our readers seem confused by these two terms.
                      INOSANTO: Actually, there is no difference between original jeet kune do and jeet kune do concepts because, to practice the concepts of jeet kune do, one has to know the original jeet kune do material, which is called Jun Fan kung fu. I use the term jeet kune do concepts to emphasize that jeet kune do is a concept. Jeet kune do was Bruce's personal research and development in what worked for him in combat. Can you teach jeet kune do? I have always said "Yes." Can you standardize jeet kune do? I say "No." Because in Bruce's own words, "Jeet kune do is finding the cause of your own ignorance. Jeet kune do favors the formless. Jeet kune do utilizes all ways and is bound by none." Since each individual is different, he must find the cause of his own ignorance and must utilize all the ways that personally fit him. So original jeet kune do is really Jun Fan kung fu, the material that was handed down by Bruce when he was alive. Jun Fan kung fu can be taught and is standardized so that students can learn it easily. Jun Fan kung fu provides the basic training methods, techniques, strategies, principles and concepts for combat and self-defense. Jun Fan kung fu basics prepare you for your own personal way of combat.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Harley
                        cool name.
                        i agree with many of your points, the only thing i want to say is that people need examples of things. they need to see a physical example of a concept to better visualize it and thus be a part of it. they need names to relate to it, and a method of explaining it to others, to explain jkd without the physical examples of jun fan is like trying to guide someone to spiritual enlightenment without teaching them to meditate or pray. jun fan is the physical examples that sijo lee felt at the time to best convey the concepts of jkd. yes he regretted nameing it because of his fear that people would say this "is" the way. OJKD. and understandably so. and yes the NHB and mixed martial arts world of today are finally three decades later catching up to the concepts he was preaching so long ago, but your right, that does not make them jkd, just along a similar path. jkd is specifically sijo lee's expression and the path he laid out for us to follow, do we have to follow him, no. but to follow another path and call it jkd is incorrect, no matter how many truths you also adhere to. if you cook rice, it's rice that's true. but if you cook spanish rice it is not the same rice they cook in china. so therefore, although it "is" rice it's not the same. hope that made sense, it's late.
                        Harley
                        sorry i just had to say this..im from wichita falls too. im doing ed parkers system kenpo with dave williams. im also friends with ricky simmons( i think you know him) and i was planning on doing the jkd with you guys but i wanted to become good at another hard style b4 i did jkd. i woulda liked to join warriors way earlier but i read that it might be a bit better to get the basics down with another art before doing ojkd. i've heard many great things about you from ricky and so i was of course excited about it. i hope i can join your class oen day

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                        • #14
                          Here's a great article explaining Bruce Lee's concept of interception, or stop-hit. Enjoy.

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                          • #15
                            """If you really want to see how BJJ might
                            be completely thrown out of the window, I would highly
                            recommend getting Paul Vunak's Street Safe 3"""

                            Not even a reasonable statement.

                            Times change. Training changes. If you think biting someone is going to stop them from snapping your arm like a celery stalk you're mistaken. A good ground man bites too.


                            Working against biters has also been in the mix for years.

                            If you want to see how BJJ might be completly thrown out... recognize threats before they materialize and carry legal weapons that can be deployed at a distance (in addition to your regular training).

                            Demi

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