JKD-Training Tips And Experience Archives

[gungfuhero]

Dan Inosanto often speaks of one of the Machado brothers who has become very adept with working Jun Fan trapping from different ground positions.

[Chad W. Getz]

And thank you for checking and relaying the information here next time you see Guro Inosanto.

Crafty also talks about showing Renzo Gracie some of Paul Vunak's HKE tape and I believe he used a similar structure once he cornered the guy in his next fight. Read at the DB web site under Rambling Ruminations on Trapping.

[gungfuhero]

I grappled with an ex-wrestler this morning. He is very technical and has made the transition to submission oriented grappling well. Even though I have more experience with this type of sparring, he always gives me a lot of trouble. I now realize that this is do to me try to play a game that he is better at. This morning, rather than trying to tackle and take a top position, I pulled to guard slowly worked my choke in on him. It just goes to show that familiarity is a key attribute in winning.

I've recently been shown the importance of angular footwork durring offense. It buys you a split second in which you can really jack your opponent while he is adjusting to your new position. The validity of the distinction between SDA and SAA makes so much more sense to me now.

[Chad W. Getz]

So, G-H, did you find out which machado brother you referred to in the earlier post?

[gungfuhero]

Chad, I probably won't see Mr. Inosanto again until I fly out to LA this summer. I'll ask my instructor if he remebers which Machado brother it is.

I've almost worked the bugs out of a wrist lock that I've been experimenting with. I'm wrestling tomorrow so I'll have a good lab. Rather than simply using the hands to apply pressure, it uses the whole body.

[gungfuhero]

I tried out the wristlock today and I was successful with it two out of the three times I tried it.

[Chad W. Getz]

And I get to try it tonight...

[Dion]

Training Experiences:-

One thing I and others have noticed during training is that instead of waiting for a strike etc to come to me and then respond, I instead seem to welcome a strike or grapple attempt by meeting it part way and then using the force exerted back at them...

One example is say my opponent attempts to grab my arm then instead of trying to avoid this I bring the arm that is being sort straight out and let them have it but then instead of letting them continue since they have suddenly been shocked by the event I continue through with a "counter action" that completely throws their "method" out and causes them to have to completely reconsider what is happening as they thought they were getting control but suddenly realise they lost it due to my "meeting them half way".

This [thing] I have developed seems to put aside any fear of getting hit etc and concentrates simply on "giving them what they want" and it comes about with out my having to [think] about it but I can remember everything I did as if it were something I had planned prior to the event and yet I had made none. Also there is no concern as to what "style" or "method" I am performing for each [task] and yet all I know and do not know comes out with out effort.

Does anyone else find this happen to them when they are training ?

I find it so usefull when grappling comes into play as it is like I use their [gravity] to pull me into position and then use their [push] to provide some extra [force] to provide me with leverage against them and combined with my own strength it seems to overwhelm the opponent without any effort, when I [try] then usually I am surprised by some [method] that I did not expect which gets through and usually it is one not 'officially' taught or recognised by some 'form' that gets me, it is quite funny to [try] it and then [not try] it as when I throw [try] away then my training opponent gets frustrated as they feel like they are just "slapping themselves around" hehehe

*...just feel it; just be it; just do it...*

Freedom Ultimate... !




*...Freedom == Free dominance == For ever do minister reverance...*

hehehe go the word play in the english language... just an idea of how creativity can open other avenues in which your logic can walk down

[gungfuhero]

How many of you would consider trying to widen the gap once you're in close? Is closer always better?

just a catalyst

[Chad W. Getz]

G-H, we train this as part of a closing/opening range. It is a range between striking and clinching. It's what I consider a transitional range where you transition from one to the other or vice versa.

Try clinching with someone, and do a little bicep push that Paul Vunak does on his dumog tape to open the gap just enough for a little scoop kick to the groin where as you could back up as a possibility and get into striking game.

Another example of this could be in training a straight blast (however you choose to do this), if your training correctly, you probably won't be getting it every time, because with the right energy, your partner is training on countering your close to some effect. Now you can work out with some jab sparring and one guy blast in, if the blast doesn't work out, you end up in striking range anyway, which would say *boxing-trapping-boxing*, instead of the more popular *boxing-trapping-clinching* progression that is not uncommon to train today.

Also, I feel that you should train from your back with someone in your guard to get up to stand up position as well.

I think that if you work to close, you should also work to counter the close, work to open, and work to counter the open.

Even as going for a single leg takedown, you could shoot in, or blast then shoot in, clinch with the leg, and work back into striking while he's trying to maintain balance. The strategies are endless.

[Chad W. Getz]

Experiences

On a different note...I got schooled today by some Grappling Unlimited guys. That was fun...and still sore all over, had me tapping like a congo player.

Trapping with groundfighting...Vale Tudo style, if you mount your opponent and he fights with you to grab your wrist, let him grab it. From there you give yourself a reference point fopr a nice flow from bong sao to hook the arm with same hand into an arm bar. May sound complicated, but think about it. Then try it.

[gungfuhero]

I was just thinking, with the current flood of knowledge about ground fighting many people are fixated upon it. Time and time again the importance of ground grappling has been proven, but does one facet of fighting really have more importance than another?

I was watching an IFC (NHB competition) taped in the Ukraine (sp?) where some fighters were taking control by escaping from the ground situation and fighting on their feet. It is also important to note that almost as many fights ended via submission as by knockout. It just got me thinking.

[Chad W. Getz]

The evolution of fighting...

[Dion]

I find one of my most effective 'methods' is to strike fast and hard and try to send them to the ground quickly and get some distance between myself and the opponent again so I can be ready for anything more if it comes, staying in close I find is to dangerous most times but if a grapple is needed then I usually turn to one that will provide immediate effect and yet keep myself in a position of safety, this is where the opponents limbs come in very handy against themselves seeing most have the conception that the strikes and pain are going to be focused on their torso or head... the limbs are very effective in stopping someone and one can grapple with them and still keep distance by different methods of gain and regain then keep and so on. In most grapples I find that usually they start at near arms length and quickly move inwards but if you add a few uncommon moves in there then the grapple quickly reverses direction and you can use this to provide you with the opportuntity to do a shifty twist and detain move but Ill let you decide how this is all achieved hehehe...

Keeping distance between myself and an opponent during strikes I find is also very effective in wearing them down seeing they have to keep coming at me all the time to get a hit in and this makes them much easier to take down if they have a bit of endurance and strength, send them down a few times with some throws/trips/etc and they soon lose energy hehe but then again there are many other tactics you can apply as well...

It would really depend on the location of a situation as to how a battle would eventuate in its course, a tight bar like situation would call for in close tactics and open areas would call for broad tactics due to the space provided and so on to many different things eg I try to practise in all different areas so as to be used to having other objects around me (accuracy and mobility thingy hehe)...

Freedom Ultimate... !