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  • #16
    Hey Ryu, wassup?

    Glad that you are getting in shape again, right now I'm struggling with scrapper's workouts and a no carbs-diet; this summer I really eated alot...

    Our masks are made by a company called "Sphinx", they make the gloves used in K-1, really good products at a very low prices, not high-quality as twins or fairtex, but better prices. The masks are boxing helmets with alot more padding and padding on top of the head, with a removable steel cage on front; they sell here for 30 us$. We do use also a metal cup and sphinx vale tudo gloves that are harbingers with another company name stiched on them.

    We do use our sparring as a test laboratory to study fighting in controlled conditions, last friday we did a series of bouts of only "leg kicks, jabs and crosses" sparring; after a few rounds, bad habits start immediately forming: dropping the front hand to increase the power, and staying on the strikes for too much time. Sometimes we don't realize how technique is influenced by the rules of the game. When we added takedowns to the bouts, the kicks almost disappeared; it was only boxing and takedowns. When finally, at the end of evening we sparred NHB, evrything disappeared, it was only cautious circling, maybe some quick hook and then clinch, maybe knees and GROUND...

    Also, do yourself a favor and when sparring, wear some form of shinpdas; I've had a leg kick blocked by a knee destruction and almost cracked the bone; I now have a large bump and alot of hurting. Damn, I tought that only TKD kicks were useless...

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    • #17
      Damn..Underdog..you seem tough as nails!! Wouldn't want to mess with you!

      Ryu, whats up??
      you cutting weight?? me too...I'm down to about 170..I was 220 a year ago!(fat not much muscle!) feeling great now..quicker and stronger!

      Wish I could do some serious vale-tudo training here in Hong Kong...Too bad it's mostly "traditional" MA here...

      oh well...

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      • #18
        Though? No, not really...

        Hmmm, I don't consider myself tough, enter in a Boxing Gym, preferably an hardcore one and they are alot tougher than the vast majority of us.

        At least we have a break time doing matwork, they pound themselves in the face ever, ever,

        Now, that's tough!

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        • #19
          I first started all out sparring in high school when I was really dedicated to Gung fu. I just wanted the experience of fighting guys outside of my Gung fu club. So I just got together with a small group of friends, we put on gloves and just went in the backyard and thrashed each other. Basically the group consisted of anyone who had the ballz to do it. There was one kid who was training at a boxing gym, a big black guy who had done kenpo and shotokan and a couple other people including myself. Now that I think about it, it seems extremely stupid for a bunch of minors to do something so extreme without supervision...but oh well, it was a learning experience Doing this really taught me how different freestyle full power sparring was from traditional Gung fu sparring and it shocked me to learn that a lot of my techniques weren't as easy to pull off as I thought they were. But it also taught which parts of my Gung fu were extremely effective so I stuck it out and kept at it. Fast forward towards the later part of high school...I entered a full contact Gung fu tournament and got soundly thrashed. These were my first experiences in full contact sparring. Fast forward to now after I've been doing JKD and Shooto for awhile...the majority of my full contact sparring comes from Shooto training. We have different progressions of full contact sparring. Sometimes it is strictly kickboxing versus strictly takedowns and we'll also do all out striking versus striking. Whenever it starts getting closer to tournament time then we'll do some full out freestyle sparring (according to amateur Shooto rules). I think this type of stuff is very important. There is a world of difference between hitting pads or sparring half contact and sparring ballz out. Personally, i don't think its very healthy to do this all the time because then people would just be getting messed up way too often. But once you've trained and conditioned a certain technique well enough, there has to be a period of time when you test it out for real. Then you learn from that experience, train some more and after awhile test yourself again.

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          • #20

            Hey there, Bau13, how is everything in HK?
            Hmm I'm guessing that MMA is somewhat scarce there? Well perhaps you have an advantage then?

            I'm trying to cut fat, but not lose my muscle. Right now I'm about 175-180. Pretty good But I wish I was a bigger guy. Oh well, Kimura was about that weight, and he ruled. That's my inspiration LOL

            Maaximus, your post reminds me of my high school days when I first started learning BJJ. Me and some friends would get together in a garage, put on something equivalent to 4 ounce gloves (ouch..haha) and we would practice our clinching with a guy trying to literally take our head off. I ate some extremely hard punches a couple of times, but hell I would not give up the experience Yes it was dangerous, and we didn't have any supervisors (I once broke my friend's foot with a heel hook twice), but it really was "vale tudo" rules with us. I haven't gone that hard in a while, I hope I can still take it! haha
            The older you get the less pain you want

            Ryu

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            • #21
              hehe...

              Aww, how great it was to be young and invincible.

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              • #22
                This is some cool stuff, Underdog.

                BTW--I, too, have had a roundhouse kick blocked by a knee destruction and I will never forget that pain... never felt anything like that.

                So what do the injuries look like after these meets?

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                #23
                hm...

                underdog: where do you get these "sphinx" helmets? they sound better (and cheaper) than what macho has to offer in a cage type mask.. any help is appreciated...

                maxximus: i can relate with your highschool stories. reminds me of what my older brother did when he was in high school. he started TKD and the sparring was the standard point sparring rules.. so he started sparring with buddies in the backyard after school. he's the first one to teach me to shorten my jab the first couple rounds and then start extending fully to surprise an opponenent... precious knowledge from an older bro.. as i recall, they were using standard tkd point sparring gear.. lots of bloodied noses.



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