Bruce Lee Vs Mohamed Ali

[bigglj]

Two Case Point
With KiCking W/o Kicking
There Has Been Much said about Bruce's Lee Hand speed Would it be fast enuff to combat the Great Ali in a Boxxing Match

Would Ail be able to match the great kicking skills of Bruce Lee

[koto_ryu]

Two Case Point
With KiCking W/o Kicking
There Has Been Much said about Bruce's Lee Hand speed Would it be fast enuff to combat the Great Ali in a Boxxing Match

Would Ail be able to match the great kicking skills of Bruce Lee

With kicking would be stupid, as Ali wouldn't really have much to go on (though he did fight Antonio Inoki to a draw in their fight, but Bruce would be a different story I believe). With just hands, however, Ali would most likely be the winner. He's got the weight advantage, reach advantage, in the same realm of speed as Bruce was, master faker, and would be able to work the ring against Bruce, who did box but not to the extent Ali did. If they were both in their prime and fought a bout, Ali more than likely.

[hornet]

Ali would probably beat Bruce. Reason Bruce was primarily an actor not a fighter.
He knew some wing-chun and had READ lots about martial arts.

He had many good ideas on paper, but I wouldn't count on him despite the hype. You can whine about the lead hand/foot, intercepting and by-jong stance all you want. Bruce was a ok fighter, but an interesting actor.

Ali was a good fighter no doubt. I think it gives it self.

[Si Williams]

In the words of Bruce; if they were both in a ring than Ali would win, if there was no rules and no ref then Bruce Lee would win. Simple as that.

[Bruce(JKD)Lee]

i agree,but that would be hard to decide Bruce Lee-one of the best chinese martial artist Ali-pretty much the best boxer to ever set foot on earth

[SamuraiGuy]

Honestly some of the shit you people say is so fucking retarded some times... "no doubt on earth that ali was the best"... you speak for everyone... no one doubts that he may not have been the best... thats a real dumb statement to make. First of all who says hes the best boxer ever... although I hate lennox lewis... I think lewis could have taken it to Ali if he wanted too... lets face it he came out of rumble in the jungle lucky.. getting pounded on then knocking him down in the 8th or w/e sounds real good plan after it happens... but do you think thats a really smart plan.. would you go into a fight and be like... yeah im gonna let this fucking monster punch the shit out of me for 8 rounds then.. ill just knock him down... it wasnt a great technique and not great boxing... just a good punch... and he may have been a good boxer but hes certainly not the best fighter... mike tyson has to be considered as the best boxer fighter.. or whatever you call the person whos the best at winning boxing matches.. tyson would have ate up Ali when they were both in their prime... and i notice no one mentions Joe Frazier.. the smaller man then Ali... and I quote Ali as saying.. (after he narrowly beat frazier) that Joe Frazier was the greatest heavy weight in the world next to him... thats the best compliment you could get from Ali because hed never admit anyone was better even if he knew they were... so the smaller man Frazier had 3 fights with Ali and they were all close and lost two but being the smaller man.. dont you think he would have had to been a better BOXER... so there you have it.. tyson was a better fighter... frazier was a better boxer.. and thats not even taking every other person whos put on the gloves... dont make dumb statements that bruce is the best or ali is the best... who are you to say whos the best.

[Tee Sok]

Ali would probably beat Bruce. Reason Bruce was primarily an actor not a fighter.
He knew some wing-chun and had READ lots about martial arts.

He had many good ideas on paper, but I wouldn't count on him despite the hype. You can whine about the lead hand/foot, intercepting and by-jong stance all you want. Bruce was a ok fighter, but an interesting actor.

Ali was a good fighter no doubt. I think it gives it self.

I disagree, Bruce Lee was primarly a martial artist and a fighter (he even said it on many occasions). He did movies first to earn some money and later to express and communicate his view on martial arts to the world. Let's not forget that he also wrote some good books about MA, and that he lived like a martial artist every day.
Who would win? I think Bruce Lee would, simply because he could perfectly use kicks, knees, elbows, trapping....while Ali was a great boxer, but "only" a boxer. And I don't think he could have avoided kicks to the knees, groin and so on. They were both amazingly fast, but maybe Bruce Lee was more powerful. Lee watched and studied Ali's fights too, and he knew very well how boxers fought and sparred. And according to his students-Dan Inosanto among them-in real fights Lee used extremely simple techniques (low kicks and direct punches or straightblast) which had nothing to do with what he did in his movies.
This is my opinion, but I like to think that they would have shared their techniques and trained/sparred together if they had met. It would be interesting to know what Ali thinks about Bruce Lee, though.

[Tee Sok]

And Bruce Lee was not just "an ok fighter", he was a great fighter and martial artist. This has been said by his students and by the martial artists who met him and saw his work, and by those who saw him fight.
Ali was one of the greats of all the times, nothing to say about that! He was a boxing artist and he really enjoyed himself while boxing, you can see that in some of his fights. This could be a thing Lee and Ali had in common, along with the fact that they imposed their own style. But in my opinion, Lee was much more complete.

[Tee Sok]

dont make dumb statements that bruce is the best or ali is the best... who are you to say whos the best.[/QUOTE]

You're right. That's why I say "in my opinion" and "I think that". Sure I cannot know who is the best. They never fought, so no one can know. People say what they think, that's all. If I think Lee would have won, it doesn't mean I will think people who say the opposite are stupid.

[hornet]

Who made Bruce king of fighting?

He he just hyped up because he died when he was VERY popular.

It would be like Brad Pitt suddenly dying. (Not exactly, but you get my point)

What he SAID means nothing. What his students SAID means very little.

I can start a school and kick normal stupid guys ass all day long.
I'm not that good, but they would think that I'm a martial arts GOD.
Then I would suddenly die and all my students would ramble about how I could kick everybodys ass. And if I just happen to be a moviestar at the same time you get Bruce Lee.

He had many good ideas, but PLEASE stop the worship.

[Tee Sok]

It's not worship at all. People like Dan Inosanto, Chuck Norris, Richard Bustillo and so on are accomplished martial artists and have a lot of experience, so what they say does matter. The things Bruce Lee said mean nothing?? Well, he just opened the eyes of so many people about the reality of MA and fighting, and MA would be a different thing today hadn't Lee been there. Not only he said many things, but he did the things he said too. He was an actor and this made him much more famous, but in the world of MA he became known after his exhibitions and through his teaching people. BEFORE he became famous.
There are many martial artists who became actors, some famous too: Chuck Norris, Jackie Chan, Jet Li....and I can name many more. They are exellent in what they do, no doubt, but they didn' t influence MA and MA cinema as Lee did. These same actors look at him as a pioneer both in MA and MA movies, and there must be a reason for that, and I don't think it is his premature death.
I do not worship him at all, I am just saying what he did. I am aware that there are people who see him as a god, but that's their problem.

[koto_ryu]

good plan after it happens... but do you think thats a really smart plan.. would you go into a fight and be like... yeah im gonna let this fucking monster punch the shit out of me for 8 rounds then.. ill just knock him down... it wasnt a great technique and not great boxing...

Actually you'd be surprised at how brilliant Ali was at doing that. He was much older in the Rumble in the Jungle and did not have nor his old speed and footwork and if he had fought with the same strategy as before he would have destroyed Ali. So Ali changed tactics on him, began doing 500 situps a day, and made his abs as hard as possible and let Foreman hit him where he could take it best and guarded up high, essentially letting Foreman punch himself out where Ali switched it on him, took up the offensive, and won. Very very few heavyweights have had any success coming out of retirement (you can easily count them on one hand) and Ali's win made boxing history just because of that.

just a good punch... and he may have been a good boxer but hes certainly not the best fighter... mike tyson has to be considered as the best boxer fighter..

Tyson was good in his day when he was under Cus D'Amato but once he left Cus he turned pure slugger and that's when he lost. Muhammad Ali was one helluva fighter, it's no doubt why he's always in the Top Ten of the greatest boxers of all time, alongside the likes of Dempsey, Marciano, Louis, Tunney, Patterson, and others.

who are you to say whos the best.

Who are YOU to say who is the best? I'm speaking from around 14 years of boxing experience, and learning under a trainer who broke his cherry under Cus D'Amato, who spawned more champions than any coach in history. I think my opinion is worth at least a pondering thought

[koto_ryu]

Who would win? I think Bruce Lee would, simply because he could perfectly use kicks, knees, elbows, trapping....

He offered two different ideas however, with kicking and without. And let's not forget Ali's fight against Antonio Inoki, he did amazingly well in that despite having never fought that kind of person before. With kicking Bruce would win, no doubt, as he would have more tools and ones that Ali wasn't used to. Straight boxing, however, Bruce would be outclassed, simply because Ali's reach, weight advantage, and ring knowledge. While he's familiar with the element, he didn't live in it every day like Ali did.

[SamuraiGuy]

well if you read i didnt say whos best... i said these people have to be considered as best... notice you didnt bring up frazier again.. no one ever brings up frazier... and Ali being so great for beating foreman in the rumble in the jungle after retirment or w/e... well what about George foreman.. the same guy Ali was soo good for beating after coming out of retirment... george foreman won the championship again when he was 44... and 500 situps a day? ... are you sure... when i was 14 I'd do like 1000 a day.. 4 sets of 250... my abs couldnt have stopped one punch from george foreman... Now i dont have abs for shit anymore... but I dont think 500 a day was really changing his tactics to get punched in the stomach for 8 rounds.. still seems dumb to me.

[Tim Mousel]

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