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They are both similar I'm told. If anyone has seen both, which is better?
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yoo rich dimitri rules ,,, just took a seminar with him it was awesome you definitely need to get the shredder its the original shit -
Widowmaker is a cheap copy of the shredder. Franco first ripped off Dimitri and watered down his shredder then after Dimitri called him on it he finally gave him a credit on his dvd. Get the shredder for sure, it is not only the original concept but probably the best close quarter tool I've ever come across. Do yourself a favor and pick up the shredder enhancer with it as well because you're going to end up getting it anyway
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I heard they were similar but does Rich cover "webbing" (whatever that is) also?Comment
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Webbing is basically a two handed palm strike, no more, no less and the way Franco teaches it is garbage because both his hands are glued together when he does it and it lacks power because there's no hip/torque involved not to mention he says it leads to razing (his watered down version to shredding) which is impossible because once you strike someone with a two handed palm strike they move back and shredding is a close quarter tool. Also Franco only demonstrates his stuff on a bob dummy and never on a live opponent the way Rich does not to mention that he makes it a point to tell you it isn't sped up (the film) which it clearly is sped up to make him and students appear faster. Widow maker was some of the worst money Ive spent on instructionals. Save yourself the bucks.Comment
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So Rashid, you're saying that instead of Webbing which drives them out of clinch range, it's better to just step in and shred? Makes sense.Comment
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That's right. Here is 3 pages worth of posts on Geoff Thompson's forum with the exact same title as your question here telling you why you should go for the shredder instead, from many very reliable people as well, check it out.
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SSBW, here's a couple of reviews from others who attended Rich's California shredder seminar in early Feb from the SDFForums - http://www.selfdefenseforums.com/for...ad.php?t=10993Comment
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well, u could just flush your money down the toilet instead.Originally posted by sissy-bedwetterComment
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In my factual opinion, if you have no clue what you're talking about you should STFU cause your displayed ignorance is malice in this case.Comment
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Must have gotten our wires crossed somewhere, thought you were talking about Richard Dimitri's Shredder, I happen to fully agree with you on the Franco issue and the Demi Barbito issue. Sorry mate, my bad.
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LOFL! I'm right there with you! Have you seen his new "combat spray" or how about his new definition of his "Wicked Jester" I actually love going to his site for the entertainment value it presents, it's such a joke that I cannot believe he believes any of it himself.Everything I said in my "burn it with animal feces" reply was based solely on my absolute distaste for all things Franco.Comment
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Ditto, Mike. I saw the symbolism too.Originally posted by Mike BrewerComment
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sammy franco history
found this on another site, there's also pictures of franco from the early 80s doing an fma seminar (when he had supposedly already developed his cfa stuff).
link: http://bullshido.net/forums/showthre...7&page=3&pp=15
I can tell you something about Franco's training. I was there for much of it. He must have been around 18 or 20 when he was training with a wing chun/filipino ma instructor named Ray Mars in Bethesda around 1983/4. As I understood it, Ray was Ruby Chows nephew and had known Bruce Lee for a time. Ray also trained with Dan Inosanto and taught some fma. I think Franco may have trained for a year or so there, I have a video of a Dan Inosanto seminar in March, 1984 in Baltimore when Ray Mars and several of his students attended (including Franco - even though Franco's site says he started CFA in 1983...things that make you go hmmm...). Ray Mars moved to L.A. soon after that to produce movies or some such. I believe George Lee was a student of Ray Mars who also trained a little with Richard Bustillo or Ted Wong and began his own group in Northern VA (I am not sure about that). George Lee isnt listed on the Inosanto Academy list as being an instructor under Dan Inosanto.
I think some of Ray Mars guys trained in a sort of a club after Mars left, I am not sure if Franco trained there. One of Ray Mars guys who also trained with Finlay was Steve Braughn. I hear he is still in Maryland and teaching jkd & fma somewhere.
From there Franco trained with a Burmese boxing/Bando/Muay Thai instructor at a club at University of Maryland in College Park. The instructor's name was Pat Finlay. Finlay was also the senior instructor/rep under Dan Inosanto in JF/JKD and Fma at that time. I was in that club, too. Franco didnt come regularly and didnt like the hard full-contact sparring (kickboxing and stick) that Finlay did. Finlay and some of the other students used to go real hard and pretty well handled Franco when they sparred (he was a pretty boy and didnt like getting hit). He didnt like that type of hard sparring mentality. He didn’t last long there (maybe a year or so, but as I said he trained there sporadically).
I have read some of Franco’s books and seen a couple of videos. The stick and knife stuff comes directly from Finlay. Its where I learned it too. Even the modified fencers mask he uses for stick and knife stuff was Finlay’s design (Finlay added the throat guard to what Inosanto was using at the time). I guess Franco doesn’t know about the current full-contact fma gear, or maybe he doesnt go hard enough to need it…lol. In one of Francos early books he even mentions Bando and JKD as two of the arts he had studied (guess they were crash courses).
The last formal place where I saw Franco as a student was at Dan Magnus in Rockville around 1986/7. Magnus was a 4-time World Light and Middleweight Kickboxing Champion in the late '70s and early '80s. When Franco was at his school and Dan had him spar full or semi-contact, he ran in the ring (he didnt like getting hit, just lkike at the UM club). To try and help him over his fear of getting hit, Dan got in with him and let Franco land a few shots. After that, Franco went around bragging how he had beat up on the champ. When word got back to Dan that Franco was making the boasts, Magnus wasnt too happy. He got Franco into the ring one day and taught Franco some humility (pummelinghim pretty good). Franco never came back after that (must have been around 1987/8). Guess thats when he decided to start his own style..lol.
Franco also began to bounce around that time at a club in one of the hotels on Rockville Pike in Maryland. The type of club that attracted mostly community college students and townies (hardly the rough and tumble type he speaks of on his site). After that I left the area for several years, so maybe he did bounce in those biker-type bars...lol. I have also read on his site how he beat up most of his martial arts teachers because of his CFA method and sheer toughness..lol. Wonder what Magnus, Finlay, and Mars would have to say about that.Comment
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It only takes one good pummeling to eat a great big slice of humble pie. Most instructors will let you taste the humble pie now and then, just to see where you are.Originally posted by fitnessfrenetic
Talking bad about an instructor is disrespectfull.
Sometimes rumors get started though and they didn't even start from the guy in question. For exmaple, guy A says that guy B thinks he can KO RoyJones Jr (who trains fighters at their gym) when guy B aint around. But guy A, acting malicously starts telling everyone that guy B says these things, even though we all know guy B would never say these things and just wants to train and get better.
In Franco's case, he seems like he could have brought it on himself.Comment
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