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  • #31
    correction!

    I meant the SB was NOT meant as powerful blows.sorry

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    • #32
      A version of the same technique was called a "forward drive" back in the days when I was playing it. It's straight out of the old school of knock-em down and stomp-em. I think it's a good thing to have in your tool box...For those times when you need to back them into a wall or a car or the ropes or the chain link fence...

      Good stuff Mr. Brewer!~

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      • #33
        Mr.B is (an) expert on the SB and has shared the details of what makes it work (THANKS Mr.B!) but what (other) things can make it fail? We've seen that it needs the right set-up but what about the actual exicution of the technique? If he's backing up to regain his balance, which he should be, and your blast keeps falling short-essentially becoming a false attack, what have you acomplished? Do those shots need to connect? I think yes! While not hitting the target may still keep him off balance the idea of the blast is to knock him down or against some obstruction or terrain... Or get close enough to do your MT type (?) HKE? I just call it atemi waza... but ideally IMHO the forward drive/ SB is the finish technique, the follow up to the shot that rocked him...

        If I may also add I've observed many students (that's relative say about 25 guys) that were learning or reviewing the SB in a certified JF/JKD academy. The one thing I noticed was a tendency to roll the punches like they were on a speed bag... not exactly textbook, right? The SB punching is more like a piston than a wheel. Each shot is intended to KO or cause the repetitive and acumulative damage to finish the guy off...

        Please correct me if I'm wrong here but that's my take on it, lots of little things and a few major mechanical errors and the SB is just as he says, useless.
        I've seen guys (boxers) play with JKD guys sparring and messing around, the SB can be evaded, slipped, parried,countered, etc by a decent boxer if you haven't rung his bell first. They rarely go straight back anyways but it was fun to play it...

        I almost always throw in a curveball when I'm "playing" and throwing in a sidekick or a shuto type strike, palm thrusts, and targeting critical areas (illegal in sports) like the structural bones that support his "weapons" (clavical) or the critical structures under softer tissue (trachea) and things like that. (real atemi waza) LOL Or less mean things like the old "tiger claw" chin jab stuff... With caution and controll so as not to break any necks or cause severe trauma. But JKD guys would call it "flowing" or maybe "combination" attack, you know, ABC's LOL Love the basics guys!! that's the bread and butter you will use in a "real" fight.

        All the best!

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        • #34
          First off, I didn't say the SB was complex. I said, JKD today was more complex then Bruce Lee intended it to be. Second dont tell me about what I was taught and how I train , I've learnd JKD from one of the best! Third I dont feel the need to throw 5,6,7,8 fast but meaningless punches to knock my opponant off ballance. I rather back up my initial strike with 2 or 3 powerful strikes. Its not that I dont think the concept of the blast is good, I just think there are better ways. As far as complexity, I think alot of the silat and kali technics are very complex. Listen I'm a faithful JKD practitioner Im not just talking out of my ass! I just realized that you have to disect your own art aswell for what really works just as Bruce Lee did with his Wing Chung. If the Blast works well for you ,great! I find that their are more usefull tools. Im still waiting to hear about these fabulouse video's of SB everyone is talking about. I have a video for you, Its UFC 1 or 2 I dont remember wich one but there is a JKD practitioner in it . The SB did not do much for him, as a matter of fact none of his JKD did. Im not putting JKD down , just seeking truth. You want to know what JKD means for me? It means going to different shcools and training in different arts and pulling from each one what really works. How do you feel about JKD, silat and kali complexity ,sparring, and so on?

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          • #35
            I think he meant me mfern31.

            The set-up is critical. If it's no good, the blast won't be either.
            Mike, you could say that about any technique. I've seen Vunak do a SB and I was impressed. I've seen Frank Cucci do it and it looked good, but the point is that most guys I see throwing a SB using your cirterea make mistakes with it. If most people don't do it right then it's possibly a complex technique.

            What's essential is a ballistic and aggressive closure of distance.
            I agree with you there. What you use is secondary to what you're trying to achieve.

            Let me ask you though, if I'm trying to get into HKE and grappling range isn't SBing my opponent back, as DEmi described it, counter productive? If I have to chase the guy then I haven't finished him and trying to land HKE on someone moving back has to be harder then hell.

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            • #36
              Can't you move forwards more quickly than he can move backwards? And won't he run into a wall, or a table, or even a bus before too long?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by mfern31
                First off, I didn't say the SB was complex. I said, JKD today was more complex then Bruce Lee intended it to be.
                Second dont tell me about what I was taught and how I train , I've learnd JKD from one of the best!
                Third I dont feel the need to throw 5,6,7,8 fast but meaningless punches to knock my opponant off ballance. I rather back up my initial strike with 2 or 3 powerful strikes. Its not that I dont think the concept of the blast is good, I just think there are better ways. .....

                ....I have a video for you, Its UFC 1 or 2 I dont remember wich one but there is a JKD practitioner in it . The SB did not do much for him, as a matter of fact none of his JKD did. Im not putting JKD down , just seeking truth. You want to know what JKD means for me? It means going to different shcools and training in different arts and pulling from each one what really works. How do you feel about JKD, silat and kali complexity ,sparring, and so on?

                I sense your defensiveness so pardon my response if it seems offensive but in an earlier post you said this>"I meant the SB was NOT meant as powerful blows.sorry"

                And now in the post above you say the SB is a series of "fast but meaningless punches to knock your opponent off balance". Now I don't know you or your JKD teacher but if this is your idea of a straight blast you've definitely missed something! If it is really the TRUTH you seek then you might find it by looking at your very definition of a SB. Each punch in the series known as a straight blast is intended as a KO blow. (the way I was taught it)

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                • #38
                  Correct as usual TB, but what I'm wondering about is moving into using HKE from it. If I had the guy backpeddling where I had to chase after him, my biggest concern would be not tripping over him when he fell. HKE implies an opponent who is still standing and somewhat immobile. At least to me. I could just be misunderstanding something.

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                  • #39
                    I think you're trying to be too exact. If he stops (for whatever reason) ands stays upright? The HKE.

                    If he falls? Stomp his bits in.

                    If he keeps moving back? Keep chasing.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tant01
                      If it is really the TRUTH you seek then you might find it by looking at your very definition of a SB.
                      How about at the end of a $0.50 domestic night, fajitas and a few too many table dances?

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                      • #41
                        I guess I am trying to be too exact TB. It's also a bit from training and experience. Anyway I like the idea behind the technique.

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                        • #42
                          BE>>what I'm wondering about is moving into using HKE from it. If I had the guy backpeddling where I had to chase after him, my biggest concern would be not tripping over him when he fell. HKE implies an opponent who is still standing and somewhat immobile. At least to me. I could just be misunderstanding something.

                          Environment? If he's going back and you keep the (forward) pressure ON he's going to fall down (over something?) or back into something solid where you can deliver the finishing blows of your choice. I prefer to hold on to them for knee shots or headbutts. Or against a wall?
                          The SB is a finisher or at least puts them down so you can stomp them into a gooey puddle..

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                          • #43
                            Tant01, I'm just wondering have you ever used it in an altercation that way? Should work in the ring also. Not picking a fight just asking.

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                            • #44
                              LOL Straight blast in an altercation? Well, I call it a forward drive, I don't know if a JKD guy would recognize it as a SB (some open hand strikes) but yes, it works best when you have a particular obstruction in mind. IMHO.

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                              • #45
                                tanto1,
                                I trained JKD under an Instructor who was trained by Innosanto himself. He also trained with Vunak, and he always said that the SB was not meant to be Knock out punches. It was for driving your apponant back nocking him off balance to set up your next power blow. The manor in wich a SB is delivered could not permit it to be powerful, also using the SB leaves you open for unbalancing yourself ,because you are driving forward so ambisiously an opponant would simply have to step aside and stick his leg out. I dont know what kind of guys you've been in fights with,but the kind I've been in fights with dont go down from one shot, sometimes even two, sometime their swinging so violently you dont know what to do . I've seen people with years of training be put down hard buy someone with no training the includes me. The chances of you having to fight someone with any kind of training are slim,but we train for it anyway, the truth is a person with good boxing skills that have been developed buy years of sparring, ring fights, and street fights would laugh at the straight blast.
                                I'm still waiting for video's of SB in action.

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