pardon the ignorance

[Little Apple]

K, so JKD is an art developed by Lee for practical street combat, and (acording to some students) ment to shift and change as new and useful things surface (but not acording to others). It has an inherant philosophy of those 5 points on Wikipedia, and to be truely JKD must be taught by a legit JKD instructor (making it a school more than a philosophy). Oh, and it's generally Wing Chun based. Right?

[m_calingo]

It has its roots in Wing Chun, however the stance, stepping etc., has changed. Some principles haven't, like simultaneous attack and defense.

This subject can be somewhat confusing. It's similar to the story of the blind men who are attempting to describe an elephant as they touch various parts of the elephant.

As the story goes, the one touching the side of the elephant said it was like a large wall. The one touching the leg said the elephant must be like a tree, as the leg resembled a tree trunk. The one touching the trunk said it was more like a large snake, and so on.

Bruce Lee was heavily influenced by the writings of philosopher Krishnamurti. Much of his writings were freely borrowed by Bruce when he wrote the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. The question many JKD students face is JKD a philosophy, or is it a way of fighting? Again, depending on you ask, it can be one, or the other, or both. It's just like asking the blind men what the elephant is.

I don't think this argument will be put to rest any time in the near future. Be that as it may, my own viewpoint is that JKD is first a way of fighting, and then a philosophy. I certainly don't claim to be an expert in every martial art in existence, but I have studied a few, and I can honestly say it is different than any other striking/kicking art I've taken.

For one thing, when I studied it, all the kicks were low, nothing higher than waist high. One of the primary targets is the knee. If you destroy your attacker's knee, his ability to fight, or chase you is pretty much eliminated.

The lead vertical punch, thrown with your strong hand, when performed properly, is deceptively quick, and surprisingly powerful. Many times in western boxing the lead jab is thrown to range the opponent, or to set up a more powerful blow, usually the cross, or a hook. The way I learned it, the punch is thrown as quick as a jab, and has more power. What surpised me most when learning how to throw this punch was the degree of relaxation that was required to make this punch work. If you tense up, and try to "muscle" the punch, it just won't work. The only that muscle power that was used was during the moment of impact, so that the momentum and weight of the body transferred completely into the targe being hit.

[Thai Bri]

MMA is an idea, a concept of mixing two or more martial arts, for whatever purpose, be it sport, self-defence, etc.
With MMA, I could mix whatever styles I want, Wing Chun with TKD, Kali with BJJ, Kempo with Ninjutsu, whatever.

No, that isn't "Mixed Martial Arts". That is Cross Training.

Mixed Martial Arts has become an art all by itself. There are MMA clubs out there. They are not all the same of course, but have broad similarities and include Boxing, Thai, BJJ, Wrestling etc. It is far more than just mixing two martial arts.

[stabbychick]

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[Tim McFatridge]

What is JKD

Go to www.jkdkali.com and click on Articles at top of page...scroll down to Jun Fan (JKD) section "What is Jeet Kune Do" by Dan Inosanto...there are two of them from him that are titled the same. They are two different articles. Read the second one...he is answering all the critics. Sorry but I was not able to copy and paste the article without the pictures. It is a very good article and explains it very well.

[Tim McFatridge]

Ok guys, here is the article I was talkign about by Dan Inosanto


People are still trying to define JKD in terms of a distinct style, i.e. Bruce Lee's Gung-Fu, Bruce Lee's Karate, Bruce Lee's Kick-Boxing or Bruce Lee's Street Fighting. To label JKD as Bruce Lee's martial art is to miss completely its meaning; its concepts simply cannot be confined within a system. To understand this, a martial artist must transcend the duality of the "for" and "against" and reach one unity which is without distinction. The understanding of JKD is a direct intuition of this unity. Truth cannot be perceived until we have come to full understanding of our selves and our potential. According to Lee, knowledge in the martial arts ultimately means self- knowledge.

Jeet Kune Do is not a new style of Karate or Kung Fu. Bruce Lee did not invent a new style, or a composite, or modify any style to set it apart from any existing method. His main concept was to free his followers from clinging to style, pattern or mold.

It must be emphasized that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name-a mirror in which we see ourselves. There is some sort of progressive approach to its training but, as Si Gung Lee said, "To create a method of fighting is pretty much like putting a pound of water into wrapping paper and shaping it." Structurally, many people tend to mistake JKD for a composite style, because of its efficiency. At any given time, JKD can resemble Thai boxing, or Wing Chun, or wrestling or Karate or any Kung Fu system.

According to Si Gung Lee, the efficiency of style depends upon circumstances and range of distance. The important factor is not technique, but the range of its effectiveness. Just as a grenade is used at 50 yards, a dagger is used in close. A staff for example, would be the wrong weapon to bring into a telephone booth to fight, whereas a knife would be appropriate.

Jeet Kune Do is neither opposed to style, nor is it not opposed to style. We can say it is outside as well as inside of all particular structures. Because JKD makes no claim to being a style, some people conclude that perhaps it is being neutral or simply indifferent. Again, this is not the case, for JKD is at once "this" and "not this."

A good JKD practitioner rests in direct intuition. According to Si Gung Lee, a style should be like a Bible with principles and laws which can never be violated. There will always be a difference with regard to quality of training, physical make up, level of understanding, environmental conditioning and likes and dislikes. According to Si Gung Lee, truth is a "pathless road"; thus JKD is not an organization or an institution of which one can be a member. "Either you understand or you don't, and that is that," he said.

Martial arts, like life itself, arc a constant, non-rhythmic movement, as well as constant change. Flowing with this change is very important. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says JKD is exclusively JKD is simply "not with it." He is still "hung up" on his own self-closing resistance, anchored down to reactionary pattern and, naturally, is still bound by another modified pattern and can move only within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that the truth exists outside of all molds and patterns. An awareness is never exclusive. To quote Si Gung Lee, "Jeet Kune Do is just a name, a boat to get one across the river. Once across, it is to be discarded and not to be carried on ones back." I feel that students should be taught experiences as well as technique. In other words, a Karate practitioner who has never boxed before needs to experience sparring with a boxer. What he learns from this experience is strictly up to him. According to Si Gang Lee, a teacher is not the giver of truth; he is merely a guide to the truth and the student must discover the truth for himself.

The total picture Si Gung Lee wanted to present to his pupil was tat, above everything else, he must find his own way He always said, "Your truth is not my truth and my truth is not yours." Si Gung Lee did not have a blueprint, but rather a series of guidelines to lead you to proficiency Using equipment, there was a systematic approach in which you could develop speed, distance, power. timing, coordination, endurance and footwork.

Jeet Kune Do, for Si Gung Lee, was not an end in itself, nor was it merely a by-product; it was a means of self-discovery In other words, it was a prescription for personal growth; it was an investigation of freedom-freedom to act naturally and effectively nor only in combat but in life. In life, it means to absorb what is useful, to reject what is useless and to add specifically what is your own. I believe to better understand JKD you must observe and better yet, experience Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido, Western boxing, some kicking styles. Chinese systems of sensitivity such as Wing Chun, the elements of Kali and Eskrima, with the elements of Pentjak Silat, Thai boxing, French Savate and Bando, and understand the strengths and weaknesses of each. It is nor necessary to study all of these arts, only to understand the high and low points of each, as well as the range, distance and effectiveness of each, it would be impossible to study every style in detail, but if you can get the essence, you can capture the style. Or, as Bruce used to say, "I hope martial artists are more interested in the root of martial arts and not the different decorative branches, flowers or leaves. It is futile in argue as to which single leaf, which designs of branches, or wich attractive flower you like; when you understand the root, you understand all it blossoming."

In other words, there is a distance in which Western boxing is superior to any kicking style, whether it be Korean Karate or Northern Chinese styles of kicking. There is a distance and a time whereby Wing Chun can be superior to Western boxing; likewise where Western boxing is superior to Wing Chun; likewise where Tai-Chi Chuan can be superior to Wing Chun; and likewise where wrestling can offset Tai Chi Chuan.

Neither art is inferior/superior to any other. This is the object of Jeet Kune Do; to be bound by no style and in combat to use no style as style, to use no way as way, to use no system as system. to have no limitation as your limit in achieving your goal. Neither be for a particular style or against one. in other words it just "is" as in the Zen maxim: "In the landscape of spring there is neither better nor worse. The flowering branches grow, some short, some long." Draw from everything with no boundaries to limit you.

The principles of Jeet Kane Do can relate to any interest or vocation in one's life. Martial arts was the field that Bruce Lee was most interested in. However, his technique could be applied to any aspect of life. In addition, the knowledge derived from any one field can help the individual in every other field. In other words, the principles of Jeet Kune Do involve using certain ideas, techniques and approaches to life whenever appropriate.

The principles of JKD reach far beyond martial ans. Other men in pursuit of knowledge and truth have made use of this philosophy.

The notion of change is essential of Jeet Kune Do. The concept advocates learning, experiencing and evolving above all things. Jeet Kune Do will continue to grow as long as one person is using its approach toward discovery. The vitality of JKD will continue long after the first generation, and Jun Fan Gung-Fu-Jeet Kune Do students and instructors have passed on.

What Si Gung Lee's presence, as a symbol, may lead others to aspire to, is what counts. If his influence as a human being who "followed his own path" can help another to discover his or her own path, Si Gung Lee's purpose has been achieved. Perhaps this is Si Gung Bruce Lee's greatest gift to our world. The gift of freshness and an open-minded approach to knowledge, which will never stop.

by Dan Inosanto

[Little Apple]

Thank you!