a message to the martial artists on this forum

[mr goodcat]

Well...duh!

I really don't like the pretentious analogy though...stop trying to sound like a sage...you really come off as an asshole. Step off your high horse, and let's talk about this like actual human beings, instead of trying to imitate Deepak Chopra.

coming off as a sage? i dont know who deepak chopra is, i wrote over 60 poems and so i learned from all that that theres better ways to explain things, like what i said as MA is like a painting, i tend to make analygies that i see fit to have proper meaning to. i see things in a ..different light than you, not bad, its normal so this is now i have come to explain things

[Garland]

People have a hard time figuring out what you say? Really?

Man...it ain't because you're deep...it's because you are dense and you are incoherent. Work on your logic. Philosophy is based in logic.

How old are you?...I'm just curious...I'm not going to judge you based on your age...

[mr goodcat]

[QUOTE=Garland;241630]And I have read the Tao te Ching, and the Ching-I. I prefer Nietszche, Hegel, Jung, S. and A. Freud,Hedon, Hereclitus, and John Hollbach...among others...

as for strategy books...I prefer Machievelli and Guevara to Musashi (although I do like the concept of Mushin) and Sun Tzu.

Old school eastern thinkers... my favorite is Takuan Soho. Hands down. And Bodhidahrma/Dahruma...but I don't know anything he actually wrote aside from prayers.

I prefer modernists... Yukio Mishima was a sick, bad ass motherfucker. That was a fucking man, right mutherfuckin' there.[/QUOTE

well i am going to try to introduce myself , my name is brian and i am a free lance writer on poetry and philosophy of manykinds, im a body builder and a martial artist, and been studying religion for over 5 years.

[Garland]

martial arts is like a painting, we are painting a picture, not of [what was] or [what will be]; but, of [what we are becoming]. in this sense we maintain a recent state of mind, giving no thought to the past or future, often if you think of the future you are creating limits, therefore in the present we think, then in most cases well act, what we become through these entities are not what we will become but what we are developing in the course of our day by day life. when the painting is finish we do not see results, we see an image an idea, by setting it as an idea it becomes contemporary and impermanent, leaving room for change and ''fine tuning''

Well...duh!

I really don't like the pretentious analogy though...stop trying to sound like a sage...you really come off as an asshole. Step off your high horse, and let's talk about this like actual human beings, instead of trying to imitate Deepak Chopra.

[Garland]

i come to understand myself through my martial art, so if you want to be traditional and label everything then sure why not, call it ... gungfu, after all that would be the closest to what i am probably wasting my time trying to widening the understand here. why do you insist on arguing, griping and complaining about what i say? does it make you feel better? having 1/2 a forum of reluctant twits on your side agreeing with everything u say? does it make you feel powerful? do you say, hey look he is a noobie and comes here and says what he is saying? what an insult!. is this what you see? probably, because, you dont agree with me and since you are ridiculing what you dont understand [me] you result to insults. which is what people do, in their brain they trigger a gap of comprehension, and it cannot be applied to the information which is being told to them so their brain shuts off and their mouth starts going off. uber zen bruce lee eh? no i didnt create a religion, im simply just opening a path in the circle.

No...buddy...you criticized me for drinking...what I was doing was trying to explain to you that...

you are talking the same shit everyone else has when they post on the JKD forum. We all read the Tao of JKD, we all posted the same- "it's our art, use no way as way, all humans can do the same things as long as there are two arms and legs...yada yada yada..." We know. You are not enlightened, nobody is. You MIGHT be getting a general idea of what Sigung Lee was trying to say, but it might be better if you worked along side with somebody who trained with him, or somebody a generation away to help you on your path...that's all, man. They won't try to force a way on you (unless it's the nucleus/ "traditional" JKD group), all they'll do is try and give you a perspective to see where Bruce Lee was when he came up with this stuff, what he was working with, what he developed, and some possible directions you can take to further your studies.

But you...
you come in citing the Tao, bitching and moaning about how "we don't know the way" and saying how taoist philosophies changed your life. That's great, man...I'm happy for you...but I live in Utah, I have to deal with enough fucking misionaries in real life, without having to see the same garbage on a webforum I go to to release steam, crack jokes, shoot the shit, and talk shop about martial arts, fighting, and combatives.

We know our own ways. My way is not yours...I actually have a tool set to draw from...you just have words. Next time you get into a fight, I wonder if saying "no technique as technique" is going to help you. It's certainly not as good as having a fucking arsenal of mean things to do that just come into play automatically from a variety of sources based on your natural attributes, preferences, and nature.

[mr goodcat]

martial arts is like a painting, we are painting a picture, not of [what was] or [what will be]; but, of [what we are becoming]. in this sense we maintain a recent state of mind, giving no thought to the past or future, often if you think of the future you are creating limits, therefore in the present we think, then in most cases well act, what we become through these entities are not what we will become but what we are developing in the course of our day by day life. when the painting is finish we do not see results, we see an image an idea, by setting it as an idea it becomes contemporary and impermanent, leaving room for change and ''fine tuning''

[Garland]

sorry about the parapraxis...didn't mean "modernists", I meant "modern writers". Mishima was more of a nationalist, idealist, fascist, poet, terrorist, sadist, monster. Love him.

[mr goodcat]

So does having an extra chromosome.
Is the etiology of your problem biological or psychological I wonder?

A fixation in the oral stage of development-you were probably a pica kid- (either psychosexual stages, or even an ego person like Erikson's stages) and an incomplete transition through the Oedipal complex in the phallic stage may be why.

Is there something in your environment that is reinforcing your stupidity...is there some sort of secondary gain???

Maybe you've created this "uber zen Bruce Lee" complex to help build out your persona archetype...you're going to have an identity crisis... and there's still hope you can pull through this, man....


Or...maybe...trauma...were you dropped on your head? Eat alot of paint chips as a kid?...maybe...no hope?

i come to understand myself through my martial art, so if you want to be traditional and label everything then sure why not, call it ... gungfu, after all that would be the closest to what i am probably wasting my time trying to widening the understand here. why do you insist on arguing, griping and complaining about what i say? does it make you feel better? having 1/2 a forum of reluctant twits on your side agreeing with everything u say? does it make you feel powerful? do you say, hey look he is a noobie and comes here and says what he is saying? what an insult!. is this what you see? probably, because, you dont agree with me and since you are ridiculing what you dont understand [me] you result to insults. which is what people do, in their brain they trigger a gap of comprehension, and it cannot be applied to the information which is being told to them so their brain shuts off and their mouth starts going off. uber zen bruce lee eh? no i didnt create a religion, im simply just opening a path in the circle.

[Garland]

And I have read the Tao te Ching, and the Ching-I. I prefer Nietszche, Hegel, Jung, S. and A. Freud,Hedon, Hereclitus, and John Hollbach...among others...

as for strategy books...I prefer Machievelli and Guevara to Musashi (although I do like the concept of Mushin) and Sun Tzu.

Old school eastern thinkers... my favorite is Takuan Soho. Hands down. And Bodhidahrma/Dahruma...but I don't know anything he actually wrote aside from prayers.

I prefer modernists... Yukio Mishima was a sick, bad ass motherfucker. That was a fucking man, right mutherfuckin' there.

[Garland]

theres your problem, alcohol clouds the mind

So does having an extra chromosome.
Is the etiology of your problem biological or psychological I wonder?

A fixation in the oral stage of development-you were probably a pica kid- (either psychosexual stages, or even an ego person like Erikson's stages) and an incomplete transition through the Oedipal complex in the phallic stage may be why.

Is there something in your environment that is reinforcing your stupidity...is there some sort of secondary gain???

Maybe you've created this "uber zen Bruce Lee" complex to help build out your persona archetype...you're going to have an identity crisis... and there's still hope you can pull through this, man....


Or...maybe...trauma...were you dropped on your head? Eat alot of paint chips as a kid?...maybe...no hope?

[mr goodcat]

I have no fixed doctrine of anything except the following; beer before liquor, never been sicker. liquor before beer, you're in the clear.

I train in a variety of styles/systems and I also train JKD concepts and philosophies under somebody directly under Guro Dan, and have met Guro on a few occassions.

I work on blending stuff that I think fits the ranges of combat, learning all that I can, so when I need it, hopefully it'll come out. That's all, man.

Just because you read the Tao doesn't mean shit.
What do you train? Who do you train with? Are you...self taught?
Ever been in a real, honest to God fight?

yes i have been in fights before, and i lost a lot, which lead me to join a TKD dojo for 9 months, how about read the tao teh ching before you insult it; theres your problem, alcohol clouds the mind.

[Garland]

you can see me? or are you incorporating words youd use to someone you are actually looking at face to face on a computer in a forum to someone you cant see?

Dude...lay off the catnip.

[Garland]

no im sorry thats not how my cookie crumbles. so go ahead, study your solid martial art, and its fixed doctine, study it til you know everything in the doctrine then when that day comes when u have ''mastered'' it you can feel proud, then you will gradually stop learning, because there is no room for infinate process of learning in a fixed doctrine of whats permitted and whats forbidden, go ahead and allow some sense to tell you what u can and cannot do and practice only what he teaches as the ''right'' way. go ahead and feel powerful among your club of mindless enslaved martial artists, ending up as another mold in the ' traditional ways, unchanged for centuries. thats now i am, no i am a free thinker, thusly i cannot follow a doctrine or any sense or teacher or instructor, i have 2 arms, and 2 legs and i will learn to use them efficiently, in order to see beyond whats traditional you must train like an athlete, incorporated running and anything else not to achieve max effiency in martial arts because it is the only way to continue on the path to learning

I have no fixed doctrine of anything except the following; beer before liquor, never been sicker. liquor before beer, you're in the clear.

I train in a variety of styles/systems and I also train JKD concepts and philosophies under somebody directly under Guro Dan, and have met Guro on a few occassions.

I work on blending stuff that I think fits the ranges of combat, learning all that I can, so when I need it, hopefully it'll come out. That's all, man.

Just because you read the Tao doesn't mean shit.
What do you train? Who do you train with? Are you...self taught?
Ever been in a real, honest to God fight?

[mr goodcat]

I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

I told you why your posts would be considered condescending. You can either accept that or you can't.

you can see me? or are you incorporating words youd use to someone you are actually looking at face to face on a computer in a forum to someone you cant see?

[mr goodcat]

by the way, you post about other people doing side kicks incorrectly, doing them high. You do realize this is a JKD forum don't you. Do you know what a JKD side kick looks like? Hell do you know how to do it? How about a TKD side kick? Kind of hard to enlighten when you don't know the way yourself.

so you want to talk about no mind, or void, fine, we will put aside that those terms are japanese origin for the moment, Bruce talked about hitting with no intention,

You read the Tao Te Ching, great it's a book on Taoism (the way and the power) but it is not specifically a martial arts book. Have you also read the I-Ching? the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, A book of five rings, Sun Tzu's Art of War? The Art of Expressing the Human Body? Hagakure? Even better can you practically apply the principles in the books?

Martial arts is not "thinking of doing"

if it hurts its incorrect, otherwise be my guest and kick any way you like. really, you give martial arts a bad name, its ''about this'' and ''that'' cung lee does it like this, bruce does it like that, inosanto does it this way, ted wong does it that way, does it really matter who does what way, its not an exclusive club