Weight vs. power

[Yessir]

Wuchi wrote
"As power is VelocityXspeed, speed and weight are equal, so once you begin throwing your entire body weight, you need to work faster."

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Actually if the velocity doubles the power quadriples(spelling), if the mass doubles the power doubles.
So it would seem that speed is actually a little more equal() than mass.

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[Yessir]

Wuchi
"or would it just be moved. If you his the basketball with a projectile the same suface as a tennisball, moving fast it would destroy it(like a rubber bullet)"
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Well, a projectile is per definition decreasing in velocity from the time it is out of the barrel/off the string/whatever, so acceleration wise this is not the best example.

However, I agree 100% on the notion that aceleration is as important as velocity.

[WuChi]

Yes I miswrote the velocityXspeed, I amend it to veocityXmass. But body movements are not exact science so its pointless trying to fix numbers to it. There are too many factors. Not least, the less contact area, the more force etc. So why exactly were you reitterating my posts, I made a mistake, big deal fella. and "or...." wasnt the start of my sentence, Do you not unerstand how cancelation works?

[Yessir]

I hear so many people talking about "kicking someone elses's ass" in college, and they tend to all want to prove something ... badass complex.

They all bench and weightlift like gods but when it comes to actually fighting they don't seem to cut it

My question deals with bruce lee. Many people seem to think that size = strength, but look at him. He was what, 5'6 and he could hit harder than anyone. Why do people naturally assume that being small means that you can't hit hard?

I think anyone bragging about fights they've had are trying to prove something.

I don't know which people assume that small guys can't hit hard.(but I do know alot of people who assume that girls can't hit hard... no matter what the size)

However, fighting is not all about hitting hard. Most streetfights Ive seen(where both+ parts where actually fighting) usually ended up in the clinch sooner than later, and a lot of times it went to the ground from there.
And when a guy is sitting on your chest and hitting you in the face it doesn't really matter if he is hitting you; hard or; a little harder. He is still kicking your ass(well, punching your face actually).

[obsessed]

This topic rocks. I appreciate all the feedback I"m getting.

I do have another question though. I have a head condition and am unable to lift weights. Maybe this is why I haven't lifted in the past. I don't get enough blood to my brain and I get severe pain when lifting heavy objects over a long period of time. Because of this I don't weightlift, but am still able to bench around 220 when I do it occasionally.

For my size I believe I am powerful (compared to others at my size). I don't believe in backing down, so big guys don't scare me, and I think that plays a big factor in the outcome of a fight. I also tend to use my bodyweight for leverage on a lot of things without consciously thinking about it, which is why I can do a lot of things many other people can't.

As far as training for power goes, is bodyweight exercises and bag training good enough to develop some serious power? I've heard things like Mohammad Ali never weight lifted.

Not like I'm comparing myself to anyone, but if I can't lift weights to get stronger what else can I do to maximize my potential?

[Tom Yum]

This topic rocks. I appreciate all the feedback I"m getting. I do have another question though. I have a head condition and am unable to lift weights. Maybe this is why I haven't lifted in the past. I don't get enough blood to my brain and I get severe pain when lifting heavy objects over a long period of time. Because of this I don't weightlift, but am still able to bench around 220 when I do it occasionally.

That sucks, dude. What's the condition called?

You sound like me. I have been doing nothing but running for a long time and when I went back into the gym last week, I was only able to bench a few reps with 225.

For my size I believe I am powerful (compared to others at my size). I don't believe in backing down, so big guys don't scare me, and I think that plays a big factor in the outcome of a fight. I also tend to use my bodyweight for leverage on a lot of things without consciously thinking about it, which is why I can do a lot of things many other people can't.

As far as training for power goes, is bodyweight exercises and bag training good enough to develop some serious power? I've heard things like Mohammad Ali never weight lifted.

I don't have serious power, but hitting the bag is one of the best ways of building striking power. Bodyweight excercises are really good for functional power.

Try clap push-ups - you can't get any more explosive than that at no $$$ cost. Hand stand pushups, wheelbarrow (with a partner), jump squats, knee to chest jumps etc.

[Tant01]

You can debate the physics or theorize all you like. The fact remains, big or small the guy (or gal) that can DELIVER the goods at the right moment will win. It doesn't matter how big you are if your knife is sharp...

Here's a VERY SIMPLE example for the SLOW folks (like me) A guy rushes forward at you and you straight arm him in the kisser with a clenched fist? He runs right into it and knocks his own ass out on your fist...

All you need is the platform (so his momentum won't topple you) and your fist between you and his jaw.

Can you say RIGHT TOOL at the RIGHT MOMENT?

The apitomy of interception is knowing WHEN to be there. It's is at least as important as knowing how.

But don't take my word for nuthin'

[Tom Yum]

Can you say RIGHT TOOL at the RIGHT MOMENT?

The apitomy of interception is knowing WHEN to be there. It's is at least as important as knowing how.

But don't take my word for nuthin'

We hear ya, tant but this guy wants to build some functional strength too. It can't hurt.

[DickHardman]

**cough** ...boxing/mt parry/counter drills... **cough**

[Yessir]

Yes I miswrote the velocityXspeed, I amend it to veocityXmass. But body movements are not exact science so its pointless trying to fix numbers to it. There are too many factors. Not least, the less contact area, the more force etc. So why exactly were you reitterating my posts, I made a mistake, big deal fella. and "or...." wasnt the start of my sentence, Do you not unerstand how cancelation works?

Hmm, I didn't even mention the velocityXspeed miswriting, I saw it, considered making a joke on your behalf, but decided not to as I thought it would be a little to childish.

The point I was making was about the speed being "almost" more important than mass.
Then again, how could it be, thowing tennisballs and samesized rocks would make a hell of a difference even though the velocity was the same.

So it seems that they are equally important, however if the velocity doubles, the power quadribles.
If the mass doubles, the power doubles.
Which was why I made the "a little more equal" remark. No pun intended.

As you no doubt already noticed we agree on the subject.

[Tant01]

The limit to your power and speed is the delivery system. Unless you plan to use a fistload, knuckles or slapjack the bones in your hands are fragile.

They can cause some damage to be sure but the BEST way to do that IN my own humble opinion is to TUNE your tools to the beat.

I once saw two guys knock each other out at the same moment. THAT was something! I've seen lots of open hand stuff and CHOPPING knock guys out too. It's all (MOSTLY) in the delivery.

A good backfist will do it too. Timing is the key.

Where is that dead horse kicking animation...?