Who here has heard of Dan Inosanto?

[Tim McFatridge]

I'm going to my first Inosanto seminar next month, he's coming to Dallas. Very Excited!!! What should i expect?

I am going to try and be there as well. Hopefully we can meet up and maybe do a little training together while there. Guro Dan puts on an awesome seminar. Just be sure to bring a pen and plenty of paper to take notes on. Also, if you have a video camera I would suggest bringing it as well. YOU ARE NOT ALOUD TO VIDEO TAPE DURING THE SEMINAR.... but you can always set it up in the corner somewhere so after the seminar you can video yourself doing some of the material that was presented during the day.

Peace

[heyyou316us]

I'm going to my first Inosanto seminar next month, he's coming to Dallas. Very Excited!!! What should i expect?

[Tom Yum]

Sorry to interrupt.

Redrum, I've never said anything insulting about the art of wingchun. Personally, I let the art and its practitioners speak for itself.

My biggest critique of wingchun (prior to guys like Orr getting involved in MMA) has been its lack of spontaneous training against resisting opponents; sure chi-sao is somewhat spontaneous but its also against other wingchun stylists and depends on a fixed position. Yes, there's some practicality behind that position but no one starts out fighting like that...

Since I've found the vids of Orr, some of his students and others fighting in NHB and winning, I think its a good thing. In most of those fights, the wingchun fighters revert to the basics of stand up, right? chain punching, wingchun style low kicks, knees and throws.

This is a good thing for wingchun as a combat art.

[Red Rum]

Hardly. If there's anyone in the entire world that needs no one's protection, it's Dan Inosanto..

Hahahahaha sounds like an advert

If you asked people who've trained with Dan Inosanto who's heard of Yip Man, you'd likely get a universal "I have." There's one of the major differences between someone like Dan Inosanto, and someone like you. Dan Inosanto shows people more than what's contained in the walls of his school or particular lineage. He doesn't claim to be (or even feel comfortable with the notion) that he is the "source" or that he has all the answers. He is constantly encouraging people to seek answers outside their own group, which means most of his people are aware of influential instructors across a gamut of martial experience.

It keeps people from becoming self-absorbed one trick ponies, as you are increasingly appearing to be.

Hey I show my students and teach my students everything about the martial arts world. Most of my students have studeied other martial arts at top level and already know about martial arts.

I don't know why you think I am so self obsessed - I have barely mentioned my level in martial arts, except when you asked for a resume from me Mike.

Kamon has certainly given me a lot of skilll that I have used successfully in tournaments, but I know it it isn't for everyone.

I am certainly not as good as some martial artists I have seen, but the post isn't about me - it is about a bunch of JKD guys saying that a JKD guy is the best in the US. That is what I would call self obsessed

[Red Rum]

3 whole people?

My god. It's a mob.

Hmmm yeah and I wonder how many of the 287 are real people??

The point is that you asked JKD guys on a JKD forum who has heard of Dan Insonato. That is like asking WC guys on a WC forum if they have heard of Yip Man. As I have stated numerous times, I was talking about people outside JKD, outside of martial arts, etc.

But Mike has to protect his teacher

[Red Rum]

I've found 287 as of now who have heard of him.

And do these people do JKD? I could find 4000 people who have heard of Kevin Chan (in our federation), let alone outside, but that doesn't make him the most influential martial artist in the UK

So about 98.95% of those responding have heard of him. ?

Out of people on a JKD forum...
I also quoted that a lot of people hadn't heard of him let alone be influenced by him. I didn't say MOST people haven't heard of him. I would argue that Jet Li has influenced more people than Inosanto and that is just off the top of my head.

Why would you have to have heard of him to be influenced by him? How many people know who invented the cell phone? Or the internet?

Er, wasn't it you who started this thread titled 'Who here has heard of Dan Inosanto'???

I can understand your passion for your instructor - I would defend mine too, but I am just trying to make people appreciate that comments such as 'Inosanto is the most influential martial artist in America' could be a little insulting to other martial artists in the US

I have never said Inosanto was cr*p. Just want people to start seeing things outside the box and beyond their own arts

[medic06]

I know I'm ignorant, but that's not the argument. The argument is whether Insonato is the most influential martial artist to come out of the USA.

I have found three people on here so far who have said they have never even heard of him, let alone be influenced by him. And they were American!!!

I've found 287 as of now who have heard of him.

So about 98.95% of those responding have heard of him.

Why would you have to have heard of him to be influenced by him? How many people know who invented the cell phone? Or the internet?

[Red Rum]

Hahaha I love this... For years and years, most of the idiots on MAP, Bullshido and now this site have slated wing chun, just because of what they have seen on YOUTUBE or read in a book.

Now that someone comes along with no aggression behind a comment and says that they do not think that Inosanto is as influential as many of the great names to come out of America (not yours Garland), the JKD guys saddle up. I think you are appreciating how it feels to be a wing chun guy and people telling you that your art is rubbish when they haven't even seen you in action

[Red Rum]

I think the real point of this thread is to help Red Rum realize his ignorance.

I know I'm ignorant, but that's not the argument. The argument is whether Insonato is the most influential martial artist to come out of the USA.

I have found three people on here so far who have said they have never even heard of him, let alone be influenced by him. And they were American!!!

[jubaji]

I looked at the poll numbers, and I see one person who has not heard of Dan Inosanto. I have to assume that it's Red Rum's vote. Odd. He's been talking about Dan Inosanto in several threads...

Are you sure his name isn't really norom?

[Tim McFatridge]

Elliotness, what is your point? That Insonato was in a book with Bruce?
How many people have been in movies with Bruce Lee?

I was on my Sifu's video as one of the people he trained with. That doesn't make me something special!!

Ip Chun asked one of my training partners to be in a video with him and he turned him down. Again it doesn't make the guy special!!!

Insonato is good as he has trained hard and is okay for the length of time he has trained. But the argument was that someone posted he was the most influential martial artist in the USA....

I just disagree with this tremendously and many people in other arts (especially in ones that Insonato doesn't train in) would

RedRum,

I have not read anything on the other thread so I am not aware of what all has bee nsaid regarding Guro Dan. I can tell you that the reason so many people believe that Guro Dan is the most influential person in the martial arts is because of what all he has done. He has done more than any other single martial artist out there to bring in other systems from outside the USA.

In the 1970's when he and Richard Bustillo were running the Kali Academy in Torrence, Ca. they would always bring in different Kali men to teach at the acadmey. They would bring in Floro Villabrille and Ben Largusa to teach Villabrille Kali. They would bring in Ted Lucaylucay Sr. who would teach everyone boxing and related everythign to the blade. This was later called Panantukan. They would bring in Angel Cabables who would teach them his system of Serrada Escrima. Later on Guro Dan brought in a Savate guy and had him start teaching at the Inosanto Academy and helped promote Savate to the rest of the county. He also brought in Master Chai and had him start teaching his Muay Thai at the Academy and then started promoting Muay Thai to the rest of the country. He had Edgar Sulite teach him LAMECO Eskrima then started promoting LAMECO Eskrima to the country and helped Edgar get his seminars going. In 1994 a gentleman by the name of Yori Nakamura came to the US for one reason... to learn JKD from Guro Dan. When he arrived Guro Dan asked Yori to show him what he had trained in Japan. Yori then showed Shootwresling as he had been taught by the founder Satoro Sayama. Guro Dan quikly called up Larry Hartsell to come down and see this style of fighting. Larry and Dan became students of Shootwrestling at that moment. A short time later Erik Paulson was introduced to it. Guro Dan had Yori start teaching Shoot at his school and began spreading the word on Shootwrestling at all his seminars.

When people say that he is the most influential person in the martial arts it is not any disrespect to any one else out there. It is just that Guro Dan has brought in people from arts other than what he was teaching or training at the time in order to introduce the rest of the country to what he saw as valuable.

[jeff5]

But who cares? I bet he doesn't.

Precisely.

[jubaji]

I think the real point of this thread is to help Red Rum realize his ignorance.

[Thai Bri]

I think it's a safe bet that most people have heard of Bruce Lee. For the most part, only martial artists will have heard of Dan Inosanto - and many of the McDojoers won't anyway.

But who cares? I bet he doesn't.

[jeff5]

Guro Dan is one of true Masters of this century. Many people, unless they're in a certain Martial Arts circle or just really into all kinds of Martial Arts, will never have heard of him.