Who here has heard of Dan Inosanto?

[heyyou316us]

Guru Inosanto Seminar

Anybody going to Guru's Inosanto's seminar this weekend in Dallas?

[Jujujason]

How about, 'Who here HASN'T heard of guro Dan'?

[Helmchen]

Hi from Germany,

YES i heard about him, since 2001 I#m one of his Instructor's for Germany!!!

Thx Guro Dan!!!!



Greetings Helmchen

[medic06]

Hey, it's an international poll as legit as anything found in Martial Arts Illustrated.


Nobody has ever dissed the contribution of any other martial artist by giving Dan Inosanto his due. Sorry if you feel that way

[Red Rum]

Can I just point out that I never disputed that Inosanto was well known. Within JKD I am sure he was one of the most well known

If you posted a 'who here has heard of Ip Chun' on the Chinese Arts forum, I doubt you would even get one person saying they hadn't heard of him!

Secondly not many people are going to admit they have never heard of someone - it makes them look stupid!!

Thirdly the debate was about influences, which I have since conceded

Fourthly I could easily log on under various email accounts and vote against the poll 100 times. And get my friends etc to do the same

I just think that people on here have to be a bit careful to support their instructor yes, but at the same time not dismiss all the other amazing contributions that many martial artists out there have made

[medic06]

999 to 1 . . . . . . . . .

[Red Rum]

The sky is blue.

Just for the record I didn't write those quotes. Gregimotis you're a very naughty girl/boy/frog

[Tom Yum]

I have read the post and yes he did write off wing chun. It was only when he discovered it does actually work if trained right and under the right school, that he started to appreciate it.

And my comment was pretty generic - it wasn't just labelled to TomYum (you know who you are...).

When and where did I write off wingchun? You're putting words in my mouth (c'mon I can only keep so much water in there )

I'm pretty open minded about styles, because I know its the fighter and not the style per se that counts.

[gregimotis]

I'll argue about anything

The sky is blue.

WTFOMFG!1111!!! The sky is blue??!!!?? I have 37 alphabets and I'm the second vice president of the W.C. F.O.P and Albert Einstein and I once hung out and played checkers together.
I'm looking out the window right now and the sky is Turquoise idiot -FU-

[jubaji]

It was only when he discovered it does actually work if trained right and under the right school.

Wow, a two-fer!

1) The classic "it works" nonsense

and

2) The desperate allusion to the 'right' school/teacher/training to excuse any 'art' that has become famous for turning out armies of LARPing losers.

[Red Rum]

I have read the post and yes he did write off wing chun. It was only when he discovered it does actually work if trained right and under the right school, that he started to appreciate it.

And my comment was pretty generic - it wasn't just labelled to TomYum (you know who you are...).

[medic06]

He didn't write off WC. Read the whole post.

[Red Rum]

Everything, huh? You know everything about the martial arts world??

Nope, it was just an expression.

You claim to teach them everything about the martial arts world, and yet you don't seem to know what's happening in your own back yard. You talk about how little Dan Inosanto visits the UK, and yet he was just there a week or two ago. He has several instructors in that neck of the woods who teach full time as well.

What does a recent visit matter. I was talking about the frequency of visits, not the last time he visited

The nuts and bolts of my disagreement with what you've said is that on one hand, you claim to be this open-minded, highly knowledgeable (you do, after all, show and teach everything about the martial arts world...) instructor, and yet you have what seems to be a focused desire to deny the contributions of someone like Inosanto. It doesn't detract in any way to acknowledge what he's done, but you seem to think it's some kind of badge of honor to belittle his contributions. That's fine, if it's how you choose to represent yourself to the students to whom you claim to be teaching "everything," or if that's the kind of person you want to be seen as. Personally, I would hope that someone like you would be more willing to give credit where it is due.

Isn't that what you've been crusading for when it comes to Wing Chun?

I don't deny the contribution of Inosanto. He has done many martial arts, but the argument stems from a commemt made by a member of this forum saying that Inosanto was the most influential in the US.

I felt that this was as arrogant as anything I have said previously.

I feel that Kevin Chan is an extremely good and progressive martial artist but I would never be so arrogant as to say he was the best as I know it would insult many martial artists in the UK who have worked just as hard

As for TomYum....
'My biggest critique of wingchun (prior to guys like Orr getting involved in MMA) has been its lack of spontaneous training against resisting opponents; sure chi-sao is somewhat spontaneous but its also against other wingchun stylists and depends on a fixed position. Yes, there's some practicality behind that position but no one starts out fighting like that...'

This is my biggest pet peeve. People seeing one tiny bit of a martial art and writing it off. Orr is not alone in fighting. Kevin Chan spars and wins against guys like Dean Meringo who was signed to join the UFC but injured his leg

He is not alone. There are some fantastically good wing chun masters (like Orr) and schools out there who use wing chun in the way it should be used

[medic06]

And do these people do JKD? I could find 4000 people who have heard of Kevin Chan (in our federation), let alone outside, but that doesn't make him the most influential martial artist in the UK


Out of people on a JKD forum...
I also quoted that a lot of people hadn't heard of him let alone be influenced by him. I didn't say MOST people haven't heard of him. I would argue that Jet Li has influenced more people than Inosanto and that is just off the top of my head.


Er, wasn't it you who started this thread titled 'Who here has heard of Dan Inosanto'???

I can understand your passion for your instructor - I would defend mine too, but I am just trying to make people appreciate that comments such as 'Inosanto is the most influential martial artist in America' could be a little insulting to other martial artists in the US

I have never said Inosanto was cr*p. Just want people to start seeing things outside the box and beyond their own arts

I took the liberty of using "influenced by" and "heard of" interchangably since you have been doing the same. Glad that you noticed. . . .

Yep, here's a poll, I've gathered information and came up with statistics. Your strongest argument so far is a poll in a British MA magazine that's supposed to rank martial artist around the world. How come you never questioned that poll?

[medic06]

I am going to try and be there as well. Hopefully we can meet up and maybe do a little training together while there. Guro Dan puts on an awesome seminar. Just be sure to bring a pen and plenty of paper to take notes on. Also, if you have a video camera I would suggest bringing it as well. YOU ARE NOT ALOUD TO VIDEO TAPE DURING THE SEMINAR.... but you can always set it up in the corner somewhere so after the seminar you can video yourself doing some of the material that was presented during the day.

Peace

Very,very good advice. You will walk away with volumes of information. . .