Clip-Vunak/Enigma Vid.

[Guest]

Sorry Happy Cat, you fall into the same category, so your opinion of me is neither here nor there.

[Happy Cat]

Kid, you are the first to drop names here. you list the moderators by name as soon as somone offends you, as if you were praying for them to come to your rescue.


If you know that art, then stick to the art. I doubt anyone here is interested in my opinion of you or your uninformed opinion of me.

[Guest]

Kid, I can't help the fact that I train with these people and know them as friends, if you see that as dropping names then fair enough - but I won't apologise for the success in my training, or that I can draw reference to it.

I have said this a 100 times before, if I think someone on here is talking shit I will pipe up and say so, I'm not here to buy favour. That seems to make me unpopular, but I'll live with it.

[Liberty]

Liberty,

Its nice that you like my website, but this isn't a social call. Please don't drag my name into your posts, you and I view things very differently so don't associate me as your friend or make fun of me.

This forum already has great moderators in Mr Brewer, Excessive and Mr Mousel, so stop laying down boundaries and guidelines for people - you've been here 5 mins.

It always seems like I'm busting your balls, and you sarcasticly label me as a "tough guy" because I'm not afraid of unpopular speech. You seem like a nice guy, but as I have said before you maybe need to grow up and experience some of the borrowed wisdom in your posts.

No offence, tough guy.

None intended, none taken. I believed Mr. Brewer mentioned in another post you came from a tough background or something. I was mistaken. he was reffering to someoone else. Still, my comment was from that understanding and not meant as any sort labeling.

As for "borrowed wisdom," several years ago, one of my younger brothers died of an accidental poisoning. Sometime later, two of my cousins were mistaken for rival gang members. One is scarred for life, one we had to bury. The following month one of my other brothers died. I've acquired more "borrowed wisdom" than I've wished to. It's one reason I apologize so easliy when I offend others. Life is too short - that's right a young person can understand that - to go around either allowing others their bad feelings for one, or vice-versa, if it can be remedied. That's a "boundary" I not only wish more would adopt in this world, but one I do not apologize for. I harbor no ill will towards anyone here; including you.

[Guest]

Liberty,

I admire your open and honest post, and I am sorry for your loss. Mike has known me since I was young, and yes I didn't have a great upbringing but that is neither here nor there.

Here is my point. This is a martial arts forum, and my understanding is that people come on here to seek genuine advice and experience in that arena. To be frank sir, my personal past and your personal past are not where it's at.

My understanding is that people come on here to gain from the experience of others in their chosen art. Look at the Thai forum, you will see the likes of Ghost, Firecobra, Aseepish and others talking about their training experiences in Thailand. Look at the Urban Combatives, you have the likes of Mike, Tom Yum etc talking about Military experiences to help with the enquiries. And so on and so forth.

The problem with the JKD site is that was have a bunch of bookworm philosophers quoting Bruce Lee books and Enter the Dragon. JKD is my life and my passion, it has taken 17 years of my life and I care about it deeply so yes, Happy Cat, I take myself seriously. What I want to see on here is people giving real advice and experience on how amazing the study of JKD can be. I have no objection to people offering thoughts, opinions and points of view - but sometimes as with your posts sir they come across as everything that I understand JKD is not supposed to be – hypothetical.

I know what people think of me, they think I name drop, lecture and correct. I get bored of saying this but that is OK, I'm comfortable with who I am. What I am not comfortable with is the general perception in the martial arts community that JKD is nothing more than a bunch of Bruce Lee fanatics who have read a few books and seen a few websites. Perhaps in that you will understand the cause of my frustration, and my forthright opinions.

I've run out of steam, so all the best.

Michael

[Knuckles&Knees]

That seems to make me unpopular, but I'll live with it.

Well, you're not unpopular with me. (not that I'm someone that matters lol)

I try to stay out of some of these frays at times and just converse with everyone for the most part. But I do think, Liberty, can be a bit *quick* and *sharp* with his words sometimes. This can be due to youth or perhaps sometimes just a miscommunication through the typing medium or maybe sometimes even a combination of both.

I'm not jumping on you either, Liberty, you are cool with me. Sometimes I'm not always sure of some of your assertions but then again a person can justly say the same thing about me.

[Liberty]

Liberty,

I admire your open and honest post, and I am sorry for your loss. Mike has known me since I was young, and yes I didn't have a great upbringing but that is neither here nor there.

Here is my point. This is a martial arts forum, and my understanding is that people come on here to seek genuine advice and experience in that arena. To be frank sir, my personal past and your personal past are not where it's at.

My understanding is that people come on here to gain from the experience of others in their chosen art. Look at the Thai forum, you will see the likes of Ghost, Firecobra, Aseepish and others talking about their training experiences in Thailand. Look at the Urban Combatives, you have the likes of Mike, Tom Yum etc talking about Military experiences to help with the enquiries. And so on and so forth.

The problem with the JKD site is that was have a bunch of bookworm philosophers quoting Bruce Lee books and Enter the Dragon. JKD is my life and my passion, it has taken 17 years of my life and I care about it deeply so yes, Happy Cat, I take myself seriously. What I want to see on here is people giving real advice and experience on how amazing the study of JKD can be. I have no objection to people offering thoughts, opinions and points of view - but sometimes as with your posts sir they come across as everything that I understand JKD is not supposed to be – hypothetical.

I know what people think of me, they think I name drop, lecture and correct. I get bored of saying this but that is OK, I'm comfortable with who I am. What I am not comfortable with is the general perception in the martial arts community that JKD is nothing more than a bunch of Bruce Lee fanatics who have read a few books and seen a few websites. Perhaps in that you will understand the cause of my frustration, and my forthright opinions.

I've run out of steam, so all the best.

Michael

Think I'll take your cue, and run out of steam as well. For what it's worth. Thank you. Sincerely.

[Happy Cat]

Thanks Mike,

I think those of us in the gun culture may have a slightly different take on confrontation. I am a concealed carry guy myself.

Now you are going to think I am wacked on this next one, but As I have gained confidence in my JKD I have begun to carry less. One factor is that I have very young children, and the risk of their curiosity may be greater than the risk of a gun fight. The other factor is that I feel that I now have powerful weapons at my disposal with JKD.

As you know, most gun fights happen at extremely close distance. Three feet or less. In that range I now have other tools.

[Liberty]

Happy,
You're dead on the money with the comment that it'sa life or death tool. Paul even says that in the video clip. People may be seeing this through the eyes of someone in a schoolyard brawl or a run-of-the-mill barfight. From my own point of view, biting is something I would resort to in order to get a guy away from me far enough to draw a knife or a gun. It's a life and death tactic. It's not going to cause your death (the bite) directly in a fight, but it will allow me to employ other tools that - God willing - will do exactly that. If it's a "simple fight," then you're right. Biting has no place. But Paul wasn't talking about "simple fights" in the clip, was he? He was talking about life and death attacks. In that respect, I don't classify a bite in the same way I would a jab or a thigh kick. Rather, it's the tool that sets up the tearing loose of an eyeball, the deep, wide, continuous slashing of a neck, or the Mozambique triple-tap from a concealed handgun. Getting away clean isn't really the concern, and if the bite serves its end, neither is knowing my address. For people to address the tool without addressing the context in which is taught or used is to distort the content of what's being examined. Thai Bri looks at that clip and appears to want to make critical comments because the time and place for biting isn't as common as it may be for other tools. However, Paul never said or even implied that it was a cure-all or some "Swiss Army Knife" martial arts technique that fit the bill in all fights across the board. It is a specialty technique that has a limited but very important place in a fighter's toolbox. Used there, at the time and place when it's appropriate, it's invaluable. Good post, Happy! You seem to have gotten the point far better than many others.

A rant... "Schoolyard brawl" 2004: Kid walks up to another kid, blows him away. Shocked, the rest of us froze. 2005: Kid walks up to another kid, smashes him over the head with a baseballl bat. Shocked, we nevertheless ran over and subdued the guy. That world is over for me; new school, quite neighborhood, etc. But hopefully I'll never forget the lessons of those "schoolyard brawls." I went to school with a guy in grammer school who carried a concealed weapon, in case members of a rival gang found out he was in our shool - we were 11-12 years of age. Believe me, these brawls were/are far from mere "brawls." Yeah, they're not trained, deadly JKD fighters punching a cooperative individual in some DVD, hence they have no clue - regardless of the real blood, comas, deaths some of these urban kids have to contend with... Vunak has this DVD wherein a guy goes at another guy with a magic marker, or some sort of pencil. It's a controlled free spar. Looking at it, from what the real street has taught me I thought to myself, "Now that makes sense - that's exactly what I have seen out there!"
Where" "Some shoolyard brawl." More DVDs should apporximate that type of realism. Does that "bite" DVD have that element?

It's ironic, JKD's founder supposedly lived in a world of such encounters as a teen. Ending up with all sorts of insights into what effective martial combat is. Reffering to that period of his life throught out his too short life. Yet somehow, on this forum, at least, such reality tested experiences have no place. They're just "school brawls." Tell that to the parents and sibling of those they have had to bury. Fortunately, and I mean this, Lee's parents saw fit to get him the heck out of Hong Kong before he wound up dead in one of those "school brawls."

You know, I like this post of mine here. Yeah, I may get some flack for it. But a lot of people look at these things, a lot of so called Bruce Lee nuthuggers of all ages. If just one one them walks away from this rant here realizing that Lee was more than some kung-fu action hero; that the need for training in reality combat was his real passion, if it wakes just one of them up to the ugly reality of the street, to the need to train for it realistically, then that, "to me, okay, to me..." will have made this post together with an flack resulting form it, worth it. "To me, okay, to me....as a martial artist .... as a human being..."

[Hardball]

"If you're in a life or death fight..... bite?"

Then what?

And he's still going on about the Seals? Wasn't that over a decade ago?

Sorry Mike. I know he's a hell of a martial artist and has been a great friend to you..... but this is poor. And he comes across as a bit mad.

ps - please ask him to ditch the drums...... please.

He appeared to be biting the juglar vein.

[HERQ454]

Bruce Liked Biting

I wonder how much Vunak gets shit put on him about biting because he's Vunak?
Remember there was this guy called Bruce who also thought Biting had its time and place.Many times in his film work,he either showed it or demonstrated it.Longstreet episode where he discusses the option when nothing is left for you to do but 'bite'.In Fist of Fury(Chinese Connection-US title) he bites Bob Baker's character(Russian wrestler) when in an Arm-lock.
Even John Saxon's character Roper did it in 'Enter the Dragon'.

[Ghost]

I wonder how much Vunak gets shit put on him about biting because he's Vunak?
Remember there was this guy called Bruce who also thought Biting had its time and place.Many times in his film work,he either showed it or demonstrated it.Longstreet episode where he discusses the option when nothing is left for you to do but 'bite'.In Fist of Fury(Chinese Connection-US title) he bites Bob Baker's character(Russian wrestler) when in an Arm-lock.
Even John Saxon's character Roper did it in 'Enter the Dragon'.

ah well if it was in a film then it must work.

biting has its place, the video points it out. the style of the video is a little odd, thats vunak. nothing more to say really.

[HERQ454]

Yes I had to make reference to film but the 'Longstreet' episode was Lee making personal statements about his method.'Biting' is a pragmatic technique in its appropriate time and place.Cant really say its a technique which takes out 10 guys in three moves .Point was Vunak got this approach via Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto.

[fire cobra]

Yes I had to make reference to film but the 'Longstreet' episode was Lee making personal statements about his method.'Biting' is a pragmatic technique in its appropriate time and place.Cant really say its a technique which takes out 10 guys in three moves .Point was Vunak got this approach via Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto.

And Dogs!...

[HERQ454]

What...Ugly women? Now there vicious.